Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why Adrian Lam is excited

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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by SJ » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:41 pm

Why. How many chances does he need to prove he's a pollock

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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by adiddy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:23 pm

shaunedwardsfan​club​ wrote:
old hooker wrote:
thegimble wrote: Did we get a fee for ST from Catalan?
Whether we sold him or not he has gone and was the best Full back in SL last season and is a class act who we will miss..
He is a class act and we should have retained his services but I still believe that Zak is a better full back. My preference would have been to play Sam at 7.
I agree SEFC Sam is a class act but his lack of aggression/unwillingness to run the ball out of defence is why I preferred him at 7, also why I didn't rate him as the best fullback last season. The only time you saw Sam run it in hard, was near the opponents line on a glory run for a try.

Love him or hate him Zak inform imo will give us position, aggression, defence and speed from the fullback position.


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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by old hooker » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:48 pm

nitsua wrote:I agree with you and let's not forget Sam issues and we put up with them. For God's sake, I wish anyone would give Zak a chance to prove
himself.
Hes had more than enough chances

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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by pedro » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:10 pm

adiddy wrote:
shaunedwardsfan​club​ wrote:
old hooker wrote: Whether we sold him or not he has gone and was the best Full back in SL last season and is a class act who we will miss..
He is a class act and we should have retained his services but I still believe that Zak is a better full back. My preference would have been to play Sam at 7.
I agree SEFC Sam is a class act but his lack of aggression/unwillingness to run the ball out of defence is why I preferred him at 7, also why I didn't rate him as the best fullback last season. The only time you saw Sam run it in hard, was near the opponents line on a glory run for a try.

Love him or hate him Zak inform imo will give us position, aggression, defence and speed from the fullback position.


Matt
no fullbacks in england run the ball out like they used to, they use the wingers.
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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by No straw damn us » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:38 am

The reasons that fullbacks now tend to give the ball to the wingers to clear the line is that
1) The wingers are generally bigger, faster and stronger.

2) The modern day fullback is now very much an extra ball playing halfback and Sam certainly was, so you don't want him tackled 1st up meaning that you are a ball player short for plays 1 and 2.

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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by TrueBlueWarrior » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:56 am

No straw damn us wrote:The reasons that fullbacks now tend to give the ball to the wingers to clear the line is that
1) The wingers are generally bigger, faster and stronger.

2) The modern day fullback is now very much an extra ball playing halfback and Sam certainly was, so you don't want him tackled 1st up meaning that you are a ball player short for plays 1 and 2.
Don’t be daft, it’s because Sam was soft! :doz:
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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by Exiled Wiganer » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:48 pm

Yeah, you never see Billy Slater, TVS or Tedesco run the ball. By all means argue that he could kick, point and pass well, but how anyone watching the game at the top level could conclude that good full backs don’t run the ball beggars belief. Though if Sam’s dad posts on here, I can understand the family loyalty.

If he had agreed to play for us at 7, then I think it would have been better for us and for Sam himself. Indeed, that was where Bennett saw him against the Kiwis.

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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by Wintergreen » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:50 pm

The "Pre NZ" Sam was a once in a generation player. Someone worth the entrance fee alone to see.

The "Post NZ" Sam was an average player who, because of his exceptional talent, could occasionally play very well.

In terms of on the field rugby ability in 2018, Hardaker is streets ahead of Sam.

In terms of "thick as two short planks, been given more chances than most, can he really turn things around"?

That's the bit that worries me.


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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by Barney841 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:50 pm

I got the impression when Sam came back from injury he was scared to get tackled and the over time felt like he didn’t like getting tackled at all, especially from a normal kick off or last tackle kick, as there is more of a chance of a bigger impact tackle rather than on the outside of the defence in the run of play

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Re: Zak Hardaker back on board at Wigan Warriors... and here’s why...

Post by SJ » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:05 am

Wintergreen wrote:The "Pre NZ" Sam was a once in a generation player. Someone worth the entrance fee alone to see.

The "Post NZ" Sam was an average player who, because of his exceptional talent, could occasionally play very well.

In terms of on the field rugby ability in 2018, Hardaker is streets ahead of Sam.

In terms of "thick as two short planks, been given more chances than most, can he really turn things around"?

That's the bit that worries me.
yes that's how I saw it. Why does a club like ours need to take such a risk?

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