Dan Sarginson stakes claim for Wigan Warriors full-back spot

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nathan_rugby wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:35 am
Wigan_forever1985 wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:44 am Ive often thought Sarges best position was fullback

however i reach that conclusion because he cant/wont pass for toffee at centre and the only borderline good thing about his game is his footwork and he has the potential to have a broken field to go at in full back.

I wish we could dig out some of the match reports from when Escare was filling in for tomkins while he recovered from injury. 90% of posters on here myself included were calling for tomkins to earn his place back because Escare was brilliant. Not only was he chiming into the line he was game managing for us kicking for touch when needed etc.

His treatment basically since tomkins returned by the club has been shameful - why they gave him the 1 jersey this is beyond me
I agree, potential issue I have with him at Fullback is his experience, Rugby League IQ and passing.

1 - How is his positional play at FB? Can he read the game and anticipate?
2 - How is his one v one tackling? Something very hard to master and something you do not really do at Centre.
3 - Will him coming in at 3rd man stop the ball going to centres or wingers? Or wll it result in terrible passes on the floor or in touch?
I think the answers to your questions is pretty much no lol
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personally i have no issues with Sarginson at FB and tbh based on previous performances there he is a better FB than centre in my opinion.

the one thing i dont get is the love in with Escare though? am i missing something? yes he's a decent player who is nippy but nothing more than that to me. I have seen calls over recent weeks for him to play virtually every position on the park - really ??

i have seen some great players at Wigan over the 30+ years i have been watching them and there are some that you would want in your team week in week out i.e. Hanley, Edwards, Gregory, Farrell etc, some of whom were specialist in a position and others who were class all over and could play in multiple positions. Escare IMO doesnt fall into either category to warrant the praise / expectation that some on here are heaping on him
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the pieman wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:32 pm personally i have no issues with Sarginson at FB and tbh based on previous performances there he is a better FB than centre in my opinion.

the one thing i dont get is the love in with Escare though? am i missing something? yes he's a decent player who is nippy but nothing more than that to me. I have seen calls over recent weeks for him to play virtually every position on the park - really ??

i have seen some great players at Wigan over the 30+ years i have been watching them and there are some that you would want in your team week in week out i.e. Hanley, Edwards, Gregory, Farrell etc, some of whom were specialist in a position and others who were class all over and could play in multiple positions. Escare IMO doesnt fall into either category to warrant the praise / expectation that some on here are heaping on him
I agree 100%
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the pieman wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:32 pm personally i have no issues with Sarginson at FB and tbh based on previous performances there he is a better FB than centre in my opinion.

the one thing i dont get is the love in with Escare though? am i missing something? yes he's a decent player who is nippy but nothing more than that to me. I have seen calls over recent weeks for him to play virtually every position on the park - really ??

i have seen some great players at Wigan over the 30+ years i have been watching them and there are some that you would want in your team week in week out i.e. Hanley, Edwards, Gregory, Farrell etc, some of whom were specialist in a position and others who were class all over and could play in multiple positions. Escare IMO doesnt fall into either category to warrant the praise / expectation that some on here are heaping on him
To me it seems like people are trying to justify Lam not picking him.

Escare is a very good FB and when he was covering for tomkins he was exciting to watch and a very dangerous player.

No one claiming hes the world best but he is an international player and people are forgetting very quickly how good he was for us.

Hes quicker, more illusive, better ball handling and has a much better passing game than Sarge, he seen as weaker in defence due to his size (which is Valid) but sarge is not a fullback and never will be. Just because hes done okay there when needed but hes also more needed at centre than FB and if zak is out for a couple of weeks, it is time to try a different style of halfback.

What i do find strange around this whole Escare situation is when we got told about how we would be moving to a more attacking style of rugby (yeh right) Escare is the type of player youd think would excel in a structure based around attack over defense.
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I actually think Sarginson is a better FB than he is a centre. The problem is that if he plays at FB and Escare is left out of the side then we are weaker on the right flank at the moment, particularly as Isa is a poor second-row at the moment and terrible at centre (which isn't his fault).
If we're not going to play the strongest team when we're in serious danger of relegation, hat's the point? If Lam isn't ever going to play Escare, then let him go on loan.
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Playing Sarge at fullback simply because he is better there than Centre is not a reason to play him at FB it is if anything just highlighting how bad a Centre he is.

Escare is a FB, thats his position when he played there in a run of games last for us he was very good there so why move a poor player in the hope they may play better somewhere else?
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Sarge as a great step but, and its a big but, he makes a gap then steps back out if it....... i used to think his attacking would improve but unfortunately it hasnt....... he does, however , play his best rugby at left centre......i have always thought we are a stronger team with oli at right centre and sarge left....... more balanced imo...... i think we need escare at fullback as he can make a break with pace and finess
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josie andrews wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:26 am :twisted: :oops:
Talking to the senior players and the coaches, and my own thinking is Sarge played probably his best game of the season there (at full-back),” said the coach.

“It was a massive effort and I’m leaning towards him playing at full-back.
So does he stay at FB for the rest of the season instead of Hardaker when he is fit again??

If this snub doesn't prove that Lam has something against Escare, I don't know what does!
Fecking disgusting!

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I don’t think Josie is the only one thinking about it!!

Another dynamic Ian Escaré and his goal kicking! He’s second voice kicker behind Zak... in what will be a tight game it’s quite an important thing. Unless we get Bullock kicking
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ancientnloyal wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:31 pm I don’t think Josie is the only one thinking about it!!

Another dynamic Ian Escaré and his goal kicking! He’s second voice kicker behind Zak... in what will be a tight game it’s quite an important thing. Unless we get Bullock kicking
Ancient unfortunately I feel this true. I am really beginging to wonder if IL is quite happy to take the cheapest route with our club. He should sort it out before the ST leave in droves.
The other option is for him to sell the club to someone who cares about the Warriors.
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