George Williams v Jacob Trueman

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Re: George Williams v Jacob Trueman

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Flash wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 am
old hooker wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am
Woody1989 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:05 pm

This is a pretty daft statement. The stats are pretty much the only constant in our game and you can't 'make them read whatever you wish', you can interprept them differently (which I think is probably what you mean?) but the numbers themselves don't lie.

There are certain things you can't easily quantify (influence, organisational ability and leadership on the pitch for instance) but stats like the ones presented are a pretty good measure of what's going on.
Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.
So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?
Scoring 14 triesdis a fact as is winning the GF,statistics are what certain people believe is true.For example a player is construe to make 60 tackles a game,has he really? does just putting a hand on someone who has already been tackled by others count as a tackle.Some will say yes ,some will say no.I repeat stats can read whatever you wish them to read and are totally misleading.
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Re: George Williams v Jacob Trueman

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old hooker wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 am
Flash wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 am
old hooker wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.
So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?
Scoring 14 triesdis a fact as is winning the GF,statistics are what certain people believe is true.For example a player is construe to make 60 tackles a game,has he really? does just putting a hand on someone who has already been tackled by others count as a tackle.Some will say yes ,some will say no.I repeat stats can read whatever you wish them to read and are totally misleading.
No they can't and no they aren't. Stats are an absolute. It's how you interpret them that's misleading. If I told you 1+1=2 that is not misleading. It's an absolute. It only appears misleading if you choose to believe it makes 5.

Stats are facts. If George has scored 14 tries, he's scored 14 tries. If Trueman has scored fewer, he's scored fewer. It's only if you choose to apply your own arbitrary interpretation that confusion arises.

The simple truth is stats are facts and opinions aren't. You seem to be having trouble distinguishing between the two.
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Re: George Williams v Jacob Trueman

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Flash wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:03 pm
old hooker wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 am
Flash wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 am
So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?
Scoring 14 triesdis a fact as is winning the GF,statistics are what certain people believe is true.For example a player is construe to make 60 tackles a game,has he really? does just putting a hand on someone who has already been tackled by others count as a tackle.Some will say yes ,some will say no.I repeat stats can read whatever you wish them to read and are totally misleading.
No they can't and no they aren't. Stats are an absolute. It's how you interpret them that's misleading. If I
told you 1+1=2 that is not misleading. It's an absolute. It only appears misleading if you choose to believe
it makes 5.

You will obviously believe stats tell the truth so its pointless arguing, I know better simples.

Stats are facts. If George has scored 14 tries, he's scored 14 tries. If Trueman has scored fewer, he's scored fewer. It's only if you choose to apply your own arbitrary interpretation that confusion arises.

The simple truth is stats are facts and opinions aren't. You seem to be having trouble distinguishing between the two.
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Re: George Williams v Jacob Trueman

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old hooker wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:23 pm
Flash wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:03 pm
old hooker wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 am

Scoring 14 triesdis a fact as is winning the GF,statistics are what certain people believe is true.For example a player is construe to make 60 tackles a game,has he really? does just putting a hand on someone who has already been tackled by others count as a tackle.Some will say yes ,some will say no.I repeat stats can read whatever you wish them to read and are totally misleading.
No they can't and no they aren't. Stats are an absolute. It's how you interpret them that's misleading. If I
told you 1+1=2 that is not misleading. It's an absolute. It only appears misleading if you choose to believe
it makes 5.

You will obviously believe stats tell the truth so its pointless arguing, I know better simples.

Stats are facts. If George has scored 14 tries, he's scored 14 tries. If Trueman has scored fewer, he's scored fewer. It's only if you choose to apply your own arbitrary interpretation that confusion arises.

The simple truth is stats are facts and opinions aren't. You seem to be having trouble distinguishing between the two.
Haha. Course you do mate. Obviously anything you think is automatically correct even if you can't find any facts to back it up with. Ignorance is bliss, I guess. :roll:
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Re: George Williams v Jacob Trueman

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old hooker wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 am
Flash wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 am
old hooker wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:23 am

Yes you can make them whatever you wish, simple as that.
So, for clarity and to avoid arguing about opinion or abstract concepts, please explain how you make, for example, 14 tries mean anything other than 14 tries?
Scoring 14 triesdis a fact as is winning the GF,statistics are what certain people believe is true.For example a player is construe to make 60 tackles a game,has he really? does just putting a hand on someone who has already been tackled by others count as a tackle.Some will say yes ,some will say no.I repeat stats can read whatever you wish them to read and are totally misleading.
What you're arguing for here is better stats! Which is why the players run around with data gathering devices on their backs the whole match.
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Re: George Williams v Jacob Trueman

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I think this topic is done, some believe everything they read, I dont and that is a fact not a statistic.
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