ancientnloyal wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:57 pm Yeh but stats don’t mean anything would be my response
Where’s Wigan’s offload gone.
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As I have said before the Waney way is too engraned into certain players and is making Lammys task a hard one
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It's obviously been"off loaded, I guess Ian
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Im not sure i agree we've ever had a strong offload game so its not really that its gone its just never really been there for a while.
People talk about offloading as if its something you have to do - its a more or a playing tactic that a team either use or dont, you dont need to offload to be effective.
Saints props arent big offloaders they run hard find their feet and produce a quick ruck. Leeds and wire have always had an offloading game plan but again you need to build your tactics around that
Maguire nearly stopped our offloading altogether when he was here and you can see the logic its quite high risk, yes it can pay off but really youre better if you can promoting a quick play of the ball which is done by going to ground and finding your feet
People talk about offloading as if its something you have to do - its a more or a playing tactic that a team either use or dont, you dont need to offload to be effective.
Saints props arent big offloaders they run hard find their feet and produce a quick ruck. Leeds and wire have always had an offloading game plan but again you need to build your tactics around that
Maguire nearly stopped our offloading altogether when he was here and you can see the logic its quite high risk, yes it can pay off but really youre better if you can promoting a quick play of the ball which is done by going to ground and finding your feet
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It is about finding balance.shaunedwardsfanclub wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:27 pm What worries me is not our offloading game but the fact that the opposition seem to do it for fun. We need to stop the wrestle whilst holding a player up and wrestle when the player is grounded.
2-3 players in the tackle, holding upright is a ploy to slow play down, allow defence to set and not allow quick POTB.
The quicker a player hits the floor, the quicker he can play the ball and the attacking team have a chance to catch a defensive line offside / not set etc. Referees do not really allow much holding time so this tactic would only really work if they have been slowed down to some extent on the feet.
I think what needs to happen, and this is high level and stating the obvious, is secure the ball to stop the offload whilst slowing play down during a standing wrestle.
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We're not used to offloading passing out of the tackle or backing up and being ready for any offloads.
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If you looked at the top of the offloading table - which I think caused the OP to post the comments, it clearly shows at least three Toronto players in the top ten for offloading. Seeing as they are currently bottom of the table it DOES prove that stats are meaningless doesn't it? Taken into context with their missed tackles/penalties conceded/errors etc then you can see that offloading in itself is not a useful statistic to decide how well a team is playing or notmorley pie eater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:14 pmGood post, NSDU . . . . but you'll surely get the usual "Stats don't mean anything" responsesNo straw damn us wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:45 pm To counteract the offload argument , Wigan have made more clean breaks than any other team, I believe they've also thrown most passes. The team with most offloads is sitting at the bottom of the table.
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Wire made a lot more offlads than Leeds tonight, that's what we need.
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It's a great one to determine how much a team offloads though!wall_of_voodoo wrote:If you looked at the top of the offloading table - which I think caused the OP to post the comments, it clearly shows at least three Toronto players in the top ten for offloading. Seeing as they are currently bottom of the table it DOES prove that stats are meaningless doesn't it? Taken into context with their missed tackles/penalties conceded/errors etc then you can see that offloading in itself is not a useful statistic to decide how well a team is playing or notmorley pie eater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:14 pmGood post, NSDU . . . . but you'll surely get the usual "Stats don't mean anything" responses [emoji38]No straw damn us wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:45 pm To counteract the offload argument , Wigan have made more clean breaks than any other team, I believe they've also thrown most passes. The team with most offloads is sitting at the bottom of the table.
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