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Why josie? Racism and lack of equality aren't a problem?josie andrews wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:20 pm When are players going to stop this “take the knee?”
I don’t think there is a need for it especially when players raise their arm & make fist!
And at present what is this action achieving?Mike wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:20 amWhy josie? Racism and lack of equality aren't a problem?josie andrews wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:20 pm When are players going to stop this “take the knee?”
I don’t think there is a need for it especially when players raise their arm & make fist!
josie andrews wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 amI just don’t like it Mike. Racism works both ways IMO but that’s just me I suppose.Mike wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:20 amWhy josie? Racism and lack of equality aren't a problem?josie andrews wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:20 pm When are players going to stop this “take the knee?”
I don’t think there is a need for it especially when players raise their arm & make fist!
We are told we can’t fly the Union Jack or an England flag at our homes in case it upsets someone! Can you imagine telling patriotic Americans they can’t fly the Star Spangled Banner outside their homes?
We, as English, are always worried about upsetting others with no regard about how it upsets us.
The world is just bloody crazy & I hate being a part of it now if truth be known!
Not sure if we are straying into legality butexiled wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:34 pm
Looking at what was on Facebook, it was stated that Clubby called him a 'polynesian c##t'. to me that is not racist, hence my post. If he had said you brown c##t, then yes he deserves everything. However, i bet everyone who goes to a game calls players, the ref, touch judges and opposition supporrters names. My point, is that, if calling a player by his origin (e.g. Yorkshire scum) deemed as racism, then where ,does it stop!!!
I understand what you mean but Clubb a good player? You must of watched different games to mestevethegas wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 8:02 am Calling for Clubb’s head over this seems inappropriate to me. He appears to have made a mistake, but then who hasn’t?
Surely we have a duty of care for all the people who work for our great club. No employer should treat their employees as disposable, that’s too cynical and uncaring.
Other players in the past have had issues, but by support we have got the best from them.
Tony Clubb is a good player, I look forward to seeing him play in the future.
Sorry but that is simply not true.DaveO wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:41 pmHard to say why there was nothing from Clubb but the window of opportunity to say anything was short. Savelio was all over the media with his claim and Clubb could have reacted instantly but soon after it was a disciplinary issue and it’s virtually unheard of for a player facing a potential disciplinary charge to comment publicly.fozzieskem wrote:I agree with you,as the weekend dragged on and no word coming from Clubb I felt it was going to end like this,becuase club or no club if someone accused me and I hadn't said it id have been on the phone to a lawyer or some sort,regardless of what the club had told me to do.stevethegas wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:22 pm The RFL is a civil rather than a criminal court, so the burden of proof moves to the “most probable” rather than the “beyond any reasonable doubt” which would apply in a criminal trial.
Most people when falsely accused of something are vehement in their denial. We haven’t heard such a denial, so I guess that’s why the verdict is guilty.
Racism is wrong. No place for it now or ever. Rugby League has a proud history of inclusion, producing the first ever black captain of a British team, and great heroes such as Boston, Hanley, Offiah and so on.
It’s a history to be proud of and one we need to protect. So while lots may be said in the heat and excitement of a full blooded game, there is a line that can’t be crossed. This event sounds like it was, unfortunately.
Wigan could have also banned him from commenting.
Whether his silence put him at a disadvantage we don’t know.
The QC and the panel had to make a judgement without the benefit of any recording but it’s not unusual for judgements to be made based on the balance of probabilities.