If Lam leaves

[CheshireWarrior]

I think you have to look at this situation and ask yourself, is Lam making the best of a difficult situation?

Without it being officially announced, is Lam aware of the rumours surrounding Peet taking over the reigns in 2022? I also wonder how much influence as a 'head coach' Lam has around retention, recruitment and tactics?

See I look at it and think if Lam goes today (hypothetically) and Peet comes in now or whoever, how much radical change is going to happen over 8 or 9 games left? Bringing in a new coach now, isn't going to heal French, Field, Manfredi, Bateman and other injuries we have. Bringing in a new coach won't convert Sam Powell into Cameron Smith or add inches and pounds to our supposed light pack.

There are player selections and omissions that Lam or Kris have made this season which raised my eyebrows, but if we didn't have key injuries, I think Lam would select on strength.

Many don't agree I know but, 2019 was a transition season for me and Lam made the best of it. Losing to Salford in the playoffs was hard to take, but 2019 was unique for Salford! 2020 LLS and the GF performance was superb! This season I've looked at times and thought he has lost the dressing room, I sincerely thought we looked united against Wire despite loosing.

Also if and I say IF, the board and directors are dominating retention, recruitment (possibly tactics), how can we feel inspired about Peet taking over and bring given free reign or infant any new coach?

I'm not suggesting Lam is the best thing since sliced bread, I just don't think he's done that bad of a job at all, especially if his hands are tied and speculation about his future, Edwards, Peet etc are always surfacing.

[DaveO]

I think you have to look at this situation and ask yourself, is Lam making the best of a difficult situation?

Without it being officially announced, is Lam aware of the rumours surrounding Peet taking over the reigns in 2022? I also wonder how much influence as a 'head coach' Lam has around retention, recruitment and tactics?

See I look at it and think if Lam goes today (hypothetically) and Peet comes in now or whoever, how much radical change is going to happen over 8 or 9 games left? Bringing in a new coach now, isn't going to heal French, Field, Manfredi, Bateman and other injuries we have. Bringing in a new coach won't convert Sam Powell into Cameron Smith or add inches and pounds to our supposed light pack.

There are player selections and omissions that Lam or Kris have made this season which raised my eyebrows, but if we didn't have key injuries, I think Lam would select on strength.

Many don't agree I know but, 2019 was a transition season for me and Lam made the best of it. Losing to Salford in the playoffs was hard to take, but 2019 was unique for Salford! 2020 LLS and the GF performance was superb! This season I've looked at times and thought he has lost the dressing room, I sincerely thought we looked united against Wire despite loosing.

Also if and I say IF, the board and directors are dominating retention, recruitment (possibly tactics), how can we feel inspired about Peet taking over and bring given free reign or infant any new coach?

I'm not suggesting Lam is the best thing since sliced bread, I just don't think he's done that bad of a job at all, especially if his hands are tied and speculation about his future, Edwards, Peet etc are always surfacing.

You seem to be ignoring the glaring deficiencies in the basics of the game any coach worth his salt would address, like defending kicks, some semblance of how to score from 20m out and the goal kicking.

You can’t lay the blame for these deficiencies on injuries. A decent coach would deal with these issues and while we might not be as good without the likes of of French and Hardaker there is no excuse for being as bad as we are. If anything the injuries have exposed Lam’s master plan being nothing more than “give the ball to French”.

As to what difference a new coach would make now, it’s quite common for new coaches to experience an instant uptick in performance but I’d also expect a new coach to change things around. I’d expect them to at least try Hanley at FB to get Hastings back in the halves. A new coach might even conclude it’s time to drop Powell. So there are things a new could do but you can absolutely rule out Lam doing.

Whether Peet would do these things is open to debate. If we hired a coach from outside the club i’d definitely expect to see similar changes. If the rumours about Lam’s strings being pulled from above are true then I agree replacing Lam would be pointless. Nothing would change. If on the other hand Peet was going to be his own man I’d have him place before Sunday.

[Wiganer Ted]

Maybe the "interference" Lam has had brought about the improvement in performance this last 3-4 games?

I do hope that when Field returns he's given a run at 6. If he's to be our 6 in 2022 then he and the club need to make sure he's suited to the position in SL. We need a creative half back for next season as Jacko will have left. Whether that is Field or not could be discovered by giving him a run out at half back.

It's this lack of creativity that is killing us. We had so much possession at Warrington and only two tries. If Field can provide that creativity then great, if not then we will have to find a player that can do the job.

The club also need to resolve the goal kicking problem. At Wire our scores were going up in fours, Wolves were going up in sixes. There's no future for trophies in that.

[CheshireWarrior]

I think you have to look at this situation and ask yourself, is Lam making the best of a difficult situation?

Without it being officially announced, is Lam aware of the rumours surrounding Peet taking over the reigns in 2022? I also wonder how much influence as a 'head coach' Lam has around retention, recruitment and tactics?

See I look at it and think if Lam goes today (hypothetically) and Peet comes in now or whoever, how much radical change is going to happen over 8 or 9 games left? Bringing in a new coach now, isn't going to heal French, Field, Manfredi, Bateman and other injuries we have. Bringing in a new coach won't convert Sam Powell into Cameron Smith or add inches and pounds to our supposed light pack.

There are player selections and omissions that Lam or Kris have made this season which raised my eyebrows, but if we didn't have key injuries, I think Lam would select on strength.

Many don't agree I know but, 2019 was a transition season for me and Lam made the best of it. Losing to Salford in the playoffs was hard to take, but 2019 was unique for Salford! 2020 LLS and the GF performance was superb! This season I've looked at times and thought he has lost the dressing room, I sincerely thought we looked united against Wire despite loosing.

Also if and I say IF, the board and directors are dominating retention, recruitment (possibly tactics), how can we feel inspired about Peet taking over and bring given free reign or infant any new coach?

I'm not suggesting Lam is the best thing since sliced bread, I just don't think he's done that bad of a job at all, especially if his hands are tied and speculation about his future, Edwards, Peet etc are always surfacing.

You seem to be ignoring the glaring deficiencies in the basics of the game any coach worth his salt would address, like defending kicks, some semblance of how to score from 20m out and the goal kicking.

You can’t lay the blame for these deficiencies on injuries. A decent coach would deal with these issues and while we might not be as good without the likes of of French and Hardaker there is no excuse for being as bad as we are. If anything the injuries have exposed Lam’s master plan being nothing more than “give the ball to French”.

As to what difference a new coach would make now, it’s quite common for new coaches to experience an instant uptick in performance but I’d also expect a new coach to change things around. I’d expect them to at least try Hanley at FB to get Hastings back in the halves. A new coach might even conclude it’s time to drop Powell. So there are things a new could do but you can absolutely rule out Lam doing.

Whether Peet would do these things is open to debate. If we hired a coach from outside the club i’d definitely expect to see similar changes. If the rumours about Lam’s strings being pulled from above are true then I agree replacing Lam would be pointless. Nothing would change. If on the other hand Peet was going to be his own man I’d have him place before Sunday.

I think when you have (in our case), one or two key injuries, which hinder your attacking spine, it's a problem.

I think we are in agreement that for whatever Powell offers, he isn't our ideal 9, certainly in attack.

If French, Field and Hastings played week in week out, how much more likely would we score inside the 20m area?

Smith isn't too shabby, but lacks experience and thought he looked deflated at times at Warrington and Tommy (for me), has always seen slightly stronger at 9 than 7.

Conversion taking is a nightmare, Zak or Smith? Hard to comment, without having any idea how they train and how frequent. Would like to see a specialist come in on a short term agreement to help develop. Sure we had an ex England Union FH training with us a few years back.

I think Hanley should play FB at somepoint, again hard to judge and I agree Hastings is far far better in the halves. That said, I felt he looked his most comfy at FB at Wire and had his hand in Marshalls tries.

Powell seems to be the ultimate clubman, not dropped by Wane or Lam, can't see it with any coach. I hate to use injuries as an excuse, but with who we have out, what can change (apart from the above we agree on) if a new coach comes in?

We wouldn't have seen Isa, Faz, Shorrocks, Hastings and Field (on the wing I think against Leigh) in certain positions without significant injuries. By this I mean key roles within the team, as opposed to just saying we have lots of players out.

[wall_of_voodoo]

I'm genuinely baffled...can anyone help?

Is this Lammy's next post match comment?

[Mike]

Why's no-one mentioning the kit man? He's in a position of great responsibility and seeing as we lost our last game, surely someone has something to say about how poorly he's been doing? I find it odd that he's not been mentioned. Something must be going on?

[Charriots Offiah]

I honestly believe that this squad has 10 - 20 percent improvement in them.

[Barney841]

I honestly believe that this squad has 10 - 20 percent improvement in them.

Has a noble feel at the club at the moment. Get a new coach in with a good game plan and you would see a massive turn around.
Like we did when maguire came in for noble