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Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:47 pm
by nathan_rugby
moto748 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:29 pm
Wiganer123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:16 am
Shaun Johnson plays for Cronilla not NZW
Maybe not much longer. Plenty of Sharks fans are pretty underwhelmed.
But as far as Wigan (and all SL clubs, come to that) are concerned, the bottom line seems to be,
from now, if you sign a talented player, you'll have him for one season, max, before he trots off to the NRL.
Why is that the bottom line?
Who has it happened with to date?
Other than hastings, who else has one of the clauses for NRL to talk after 1 year?
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:38 pm
by moto748
Well nathan, none of us know the details of players' contracts, so it's all speculation. But given the wealth of the game in Oz these days, the likely-to-continue falling value of sterling relative to other currencies, and the increased willingness of NRL clubs to look to SL for cheap (to them) talent, I'd say it was very much the current trend. Contract fine print or no, we all recognise that it's hard to stand in players' way when they want to go.
Feel free to disagree, ofcourse. But I'm sure plenty of SL players are thinking, if John Bateman and Ryan Sutton can make a good living in Australia, why can't I?
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:47 pm
by wall_of_voodoo
Well moto, Luke Thompson will "try out" the NRL next season and I am hearing another first team Wigan player is in advanced talks to join Penrith the year after
Simply put. Signing SL players are a "no-brainer" for the NRL clubs because the players come so relatively cheap. Canberra had proved the way and a number of other clubs without the financial clout of the Aussie "big" clubs are looking over here at what players are available and who could and want to make that step
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:32 am
by medlocke
wall_of_voodoo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:47 pm
Well moto, Luke Thompson will "try out" the NRL next season and I am hearing another first team Wigan player is in advanced talks to join Penrith the year after
Simply put. Signing SL players are a "no-brainer" for the NRL clubs because the players come so relatively cheap. Canberra had proved the way and a number of other clubs without the financial clout of the Aussie "big" clubs are looking over here at what players are available and who could and want to make that step
I'm guessing Gildart, that would explain signing Bibby
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:24 am
by nathan_rugby
medlocke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:32 am
wall_of_voodoo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:47 pm
Well moto, Luke Thompson will "try out" the NRL next season and I am hearing another first team Wigan player is in advanced talks to join Penrith the year after
Simply put. Signing SL players are a "no-brainer" for the NRL clubs because the players come so relatively cheap. Canberra had proved the way and a number of other clubs without the financial clout of the Aussie "big" clubs are looking over here at what players are available and who could and want to make that step
I'm guessing Gildart, that would explain signing Bibby
Our centre pairing next year cannot be Hankinson and Bibby. It would undo all of the other good recruitment.
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:50 am
by fozzieskem
medlocke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:32 am
wall_of_voodoo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:47 pm
Well moto, Luke Thompson will "try out" the NRL next season and I am hearing another first team Wigan player is in advanced talks to join Penrith the year after
Simply put. Signing SL players are a "no-brainer" for the NRL clubs because the players come so relatively cheap. Canberra had proved the way and a number of other clubs without the financial clout of the Aussie "big" clubs are looking over here at what players are available and who could and want to make that step
I'm guessing Gildart, that would explain signing Bibby
He’s the only one I can think of and it goes some way to explain the Bibby signing as you say
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:18 pm
by josie andrews
Bibby is also a winger!
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:00 pm
by nathan_rugby
josie andrews wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:18 pm
Bibby is also a winger!
I know, but given we have 5 wingers in the squad, all of which are better than him and Sarginson is leaving, we have to assume he is going to be starting centre don't we?
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:23 pm
by DaveO
wall_of_voodoo wrote:Well moto, Luke Thompson will "try out" the NRL next season and I am hearing another first team Wigan player is in advanced talks to join Penrith the year after
Well if this Wigan player is out of contract by then there is not a lot we can do about it if he wants to leave but if he
is out of contract then he will have seen his Wigan deal out, so no issue with that.
What I can’t stand is players wanting to break contracts early. It’s all very one sided. They are happy to sign quite long contracts of say four years because if no NRL club comes sniffing they have the security of a long contract. Yet as soon as an NRL club shows interest they want to rip up the contract and our club has unfortunately set the precedent it won’t stand in their way. So no player fears signing a long contract with Wigan as they know that they can get out of it and that is without a break clause.
Now seemingly the club is even putting break clauses in, positively encouraging the players to look to see if they ought to exercise the option to leave half way through a contract.
I wonder if it’s about time the club limited contracts to two or three years maximum and said no break clause and no leaving early. If players won’t sign under those terms, look elsewhere.
Re: Jackson Hastings ???
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:49 pm
by Caboosegg
DaveO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:23 pm
wall_of_voodoo wrote:Well moto, Luke Thompson will "try out" the NRL next season and I am hearing another first team Wigan player is in advanced talks to join Penrith the year after
Well if this Wigan player is out of contract by then there is not a lot we can do about it if he wants to leave but if he
is out of contract then he will have seen his Wigan deal out, so no issue with that.
What I can’t stand is players wanting to break contracts early. It’s all very one sided. They are happy to sign quite long contracts of say four years because if no NRL club comes sniffing they have the security of a long contract. Yet as soon as an NRL club shows interest they want to rip up the contract and our club has unfortunately set the precedent it won’t stand in their way. So no player fears signing a long contract with Wigan as they know that they can get out of it and that is without a break clause.
Now seemingly the club is even putting break clauses in, positively encouraging the players to look to see if they ought to exercise the option to leave half way through a contract.
I wonder if it’s about time the club limited contracts to two or three years maximum and said no break clause and no leaving early. If players won’t sign under those terms, look elsewhere.
Out of curiosity would you have been happy if we missed out on hastings due to no clause?
I actually agree with you on this one but a major part of the issue is Agents, instead of helping to promote superleague they actively flaunt players to the NRL.