General election

[Wiganer Ted]

May's messed up big time and if she loses her overall majority then it's all over for her. She's a gonner. The Tories don't stick with leaders who lose them elections. Gone for a landslide majority and ends up losing her majority.
Did't Cameron have a 9% lead over Milliband to get his 12 majority?
With May's lead now down to 5% who knows where this will end up.

[ian.birchall]

May's messed up big time and if she loses her overall majority then it's all over for her. She's a gonner. The Tories don't stick with leaders who lose them elections. Gone for a landslide majority and ends up losing her majority.
Did't Cameron have a 9% lead over Milliband to get his 12 majority?
With May's lead now down to 5% who knows where this will end up.

You know my politics Ted. If I was a cynic ???? I might think that it was all part of the Remoaners plan to put a remainer in charge and get her to b&lls up the election so that the Coalition of Chaos could keep us in the EU.
I just hope Ed Davey fails to get back in in South West London as a nastier, more spiteful, more rude politician I cannot remember.

[thegimble]

Here's an extract about Corbyn from something sent to me on Facebook:

No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying:

“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”

And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence . . . There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.

And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.

You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

I'm not a big Corbyn fan, but this has a ring of truth to me.

You Tory supporters - tell me something JC has actually done to make you think he's no good. Not just labels like "lefty" but something real . . .

I think he's no good because he hates Britain. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing with sympathy with the IRA and opposed the Northern Ireland Peace Process. He continues to show his contempt for Jews. He called Hamas his "friends". He said that the Falkland Islands should be shared with Argentina, ignoring a referendum in which 99.8 per cent of the islanders voted to remain British. Recently over 170 MP's showed no confidence in him. He has stated that he has no idea where any money to pay for things will come from.

Will that do for starters?

NB I have voted for every major party since I was 18 - many, many years ago. So, with courtesy, please don't label me a Tory. Thanks.

How has he shown disrespect for Jews.

He has shown disrespect to Israel and Zionism which I actually agree with him and others on this. Any nation that does as Israel does should not get away with. Do you think what Israel is doing is justified? Would you allow your neighbour to kick you out and move you to another county?

Complete bollocks this part he opposed the Northern Ireland Peace Process. No he did not actually he opposed the pre cursor to the Good Friday agreement. As for him supporting the IRA that does not sit well with me either. But Thatcher was talking to the IRA through the back door so it seems it was ok for her but not for Corbyn to try and talk to them.

This is copy and paste jobbie

He didn't oppose the Good Friday Agreement, he opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement a pre-cursor to the GFA, as did 6/8 parties in Northern Ireland.  It was seen as a victory for Thatcher but she later admitted she was wrong to sign the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After the treaty violence ensued on both sides especially the loyalists who held mass rallies some say up to 400,000 attended in protest to the treaty. Both sides unhappy with on going troubles for 10 years until the GFA was put into place. Thus Corbyn was correct to point out the treaty wouldn't serve it's purpose it made divisions wider and Thatcher herself later admitted it was a mistake.

Now you have a point on costings tbh no party costs anything its all done on the hoof. Problem is May has run such a bad campaign she will win get an ok majority. But it weakens her hand politically. She will not get the deal most wants out of the EU so it leaves her vulnerable.

One thing for sure you get your info from the Daily Mail

[Peter252]

I think people need to stop confusing anti Zionism for anti semitism. Cornyn is unashamedly anti Zionist, as should be most right thinking people. But that does not make him anti Semitic.
His stance on the IRA was in line with left wing and Marxist theory that saw British control in Northern Ireland as colonialism, but that certainly did not make a "hater of Britain".

[SJ]

I think people need to stop confusing anti Zionism for anti semitism. Cornyn is unashamedly anti Zionist, as should be most right thinking people. But that does not make him anti Semitic.
His stance on the IRA was in line with left wing and Marxist theory that saw British control in Northern Ireland as colonialism, but that certainly did not make a "hater of Britain".

Re anti Zionism and anti Semitism I agree with Peter. Both linguistically and Conceptually the terms are unequivocal. They should not be conflated has seems the present practice in some quarters.
Re Corbyn I can't say if he's antisemitic o r. not so I'll pass on that.
Re Corbyn's suitability for PM will only be determined if he becomes PM. Who knows for certain. I have my opinion and that is all it is and I will vote accordingly and trust I have made the right choice should Mrs May win the Election.

[Wormburner]

Difference between The Great Maggie Thatcher and Corbyn talking to the IRA is simple, Maggie was P.M and had the power to make things happen, Corbyn was nothing but a lefty socialist activist lowdown on the pecking order within Labour and had no official reason to be talking to to him seeing as he nor his party had any real power to do anything to bring about a peace treaty, Even back then the Labour Party where not fit for purpose, The End

[thegimble]

I think he's no good because he hates Britain. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing with sympathy with the IRA and opposed the Northern Ireland Peace Process. He continues to show his contempt for Jews. He called Hamas his "friends". He said that the Falkland Islands should be shared with Argentina, ignoring a referendum in which 99.8 per cent of the islanders voted to remain British. Recently over 170 MP's showed no confidence in him. He has stated that he has no idea where any money to pay for things will come from.

Will that do for starters?

NB I have voted for every major party since I was 18 - many, many years ago. So, with courtesy, please don't label me a Tory. Thanks.

How has he shown disrespect for Jews.

He has shown disrespect to Israel and Zionism which I actually agree with him and others on this. Any nation that does as Israel does should not get away with. Do you think what Israel is doing is justified? Would you allow your neighbour to kick you out and move you to another county?

Complete bollocks this part he opposed the Northern Ireland Peace Process. No he did not actually he opposed the pre cursor to the Good Friday agreement. As for him supporting the IRA that does not sit well with me either. But Thatcher was talking to the IRA through the back door so it seems it was ok for her but not for Corbyn to try and talk to them.

This is copy and paste jobbie

He didn't oppose the Good Friday Agreement, he opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement a pre-cursor to the GFA, as did 6/8 parties in Northern Ireland.  It was seen as a victory for Thatcher but she later admitted she was wrong to sign the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After the treaty violence ensued on both sides especially the loyalists who held mass rallies some say up to 400,000 attended in protest to the treaty. Both sides unhappy with on going troubles for 10 years until the GFA was put into place. Thus Corbyn was correct to point out the treaty wouldn't serve it's purpose it made divisions wider and Thatcher herself later admitted it was a mistake.

Now you have a point on costings tbh no party costs anything its all done on the hoof. Problem is May has run such a bad campaign she will win get an ok majority. But it weakens her hand politically. She will not get the deal most wants out of the EU so it leaves her vulnerable.

One thing for sure you get your info from the Daily Mail

And you The Morning Star?

No I will read and gather as much info on any subject and then make an informed opinion. Though tbh most daily newspapers are a joke.

[morley pie eater]

Gimble, I agree.

I've kept out of it cos you've done a good job. Unfortunately most people's minds are made up, and a majority are influenced by the media - which was the point of my post.

[DaveO]

For May to send Amber Rudd to the TV debate 48 hours after her father died is utterly despicable.
Why didn't she go herself or at least send someone other than Rudd?
If May can't ague her case on UK tv then she's no chance against the EU negotiators.
I really do hope she losses this election.

Why did Rudd go though? why did May not go? Politics is double standards, hypocritial lies and the fools are Joe Public that accept crap and say thankyou whilst paying the price. It matters not who you are, which party?

The headline in the Sun the day after tells you why Rudd went in the eyes of the Sun that is. To play on the sympathies of the gullible. The headline went along the lines of "Brave Amber Rudd stand up to Corbyn".

Whether the Tories persuaded Rudd to stand in for cynical reasons or if she just genuinely wanted to do it doesn't hide the fact the Sun was trying to make political capital from it.

[morley pie eater]

"Brexit means Brexit.
Strong and stable.
Magic money tree.
Enough is enough."



Apart from her lack of costed policies, her semi U-turn on the dementia tax, contradictory messages from Fallon over tax increases, abandoning triple-lock for pensions, and Hammond, Johnson, Davis and half the cabinet only being allowed out to walk their dogs, what HAS Theresa done to reduce the Tories lead from 20% to 5%?

Oh, and take her personal approval ratings negative...