Another Labour front bencher - clueless. Do you REALLY want these people in power?

[morley pie eater]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/b ... irror_main

What's the difference between someone with type 2 diabetes and somebody with type 1 idiocy?

[pedro]

I would have thought given no majority there would have to be another referendum on the treaty,would think that at the very least is a must as the clueless botcher May was looking for a mandate to carry it through.

I suspect if its not forthcoming you'll see the youngsters getting themseleves more motivated than they are at the moment,and no doubt telling us about it on twitter etc.

so if there was another and the vote was reversed by the same amount do you think that would stand or not? I suggest it would as the remain are the feet stampers and toys out of the pram kind of people.

[Wandering Warrior]

Farage actually said before the referendum that if the result was 51/49 in favour of remain he would be pushing for another vote.
So it's reasonable to say he was throwing his toys out of the pram before the vote!
As it's turned out people now realise that immigration will not change and free trade with Europe will be watered down and we'll still be chucking cash in.

[pedro]

nothing has been decided at all....

[Wandering Warrior]

No, nothing has been decided but the only way immigration will fall is when people with skills we need will stop coming in. That's already started in the NHS, but the dregs won't stop coming I'm afraid. Add to the open border, that has a good chance of occurring, in NI and away we go!
May couldn't sort it as Home Secretary, there's little to show as PM that it can be any different!?!

[pedro]

imigration will fall if we enforce our closed border policy, we can grant visas like the US and Australia, she can try without the EU stopping us as we had to abide by their rules as their court had a higher standing than ours.

[jobo]

imigration will fall if we enforce our closed border policy, we can grant visas like the US and Australia, she can try without the EU stopping us as we had to abide by their rules as their court had a higher standing than ours.

Sorry Pedro, you are wrong.

I'm not going to post a link but if you research it, you'll find the reason why.

[pedro]

on what part? 2 things there

[jobo]

on what part? 2 things there

The part were you say the EU stop us from enforcing border controls.

Free movement within Europe was agreed between all the members. Immigration from outside the EU has always been under our sole jurisdiction.

[Wigan_forever1985]

immigration is not exceptionally an issue in our country its a made up xenophobic piece of propaganda to serve governments that like to blame johnny foreigner for ripping off workers.

Quick glance on fullfact.org a completely independent organisation that soley look at studies and figures found the following

a study considering the period between 1992 and 2014, found that a 1% rise in the share of immigrants reduced averages wages in unskilled and semi-skilled service sector by just under 0.2%.

and this..

A study from 2012 which analysed data from 1975-2005 concluded that the main impact of increased immigration is on the wages of immigrants already in the UK. They find that university-educated immigrants are particularly impacted by migration, but that there is little effect on the wage of the UK-born.

hardly the epidemic that farage and his other xenophobes potray