Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

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fozzieskem
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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by fozzieskem » Wed May 15, 2019 8:13 pm

DaveO wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:43 pm
fozzieskem wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:15 pm
And so yet again the clueless Mrs May will bring the bill back to be voted down again in June,how many times do we have to go through this
Latest news/rumour is Labour might abstain which would see it pass. An abstention would lead to the bill getting a second reading, with the key vote effectively postponed until MPs voted on the amended bill at third reading. That means MP's could vote on amendments from a custom union to a second vote or whatever but it does mean Labour would be trying to craft its view of Brexit via amendments rather than through an agreement with the government on a deal.

EDIT: Now they are saying they won't be abstaining. Clear as mud as ever.
Dave the only thing clear is May will,if Bercow let’s her will try and push this bill through by hook or by crook

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by DaveO » Thu May 16, 2019 3:32 pm

fozzieskem wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 8:13 pm
DaveO wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:43 pm
fozzieskem wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:15 pm
And so yet again the clueless Mrs May will bring the bill back to be voted down again in June,how many times do we have to go through this
Latest news/rumour is Labour might abstain which would see it pass. An abstention would lead to the bill getting a second reading, with the key vote effectively postponed until MPs voted on the amended bill at third reading. That means MP's could vote on amendments from a custom union to a second vote or whatever but it does mean Labour would be trying to craft its view of Brexit via amendments rather than through an agreement with the government on a deal.

EDIT: Now they are saying they won't be abstaining. Clear as mud as ever.
Dave the only thing clear is May will,if Bercow let’s her will try and push this bill through by hook or by crook
I think the bill is now a dead duck after today's events where she has agreed to set a date for her departure. There is no way on earth those wanting to replace her, which seem to be at least a dozen in number, will vote for her deal and the DUP definitely won't now as they will see the new leader as one who will deliver for them.

The trouble is of course whoever wins, it's Groundhog Day. The problems and issues that have dogged "the simplest deal in history" are still there and the parliamentary arithmetic is still the same.

Johnson has inevitably thrown his name in the ring already and if he wins I think you might see quite a few Tories defect to ChangeUK. They need another so called compromise candidate but I am not sure what one of those is given they will have to be a hard brexiter to stand a chance with the wider Tory membership. The only way they will get one is if there is no need to consult them as there wasn't with May.


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