I've no interest in helping to re-ignite a sterile debate about definitions, Wintergreen.Wintergreen wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:10 pmBut that's exactly my point Morley.morley pie eater wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:35 pm"Brought up in the 70s?" "Proper hunger?" You were lucky. We were brought up in the 50s and had jam and bread with no jam! And we could only afford bread once a week...etc etc.Wintergreen wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:12 am^ Maybe, maybe not, but I still do not believe that 1 in 6 children in Wigan is going hungry.
Not sure how old you are Caboosegg, but I grew up in the 70's. Compared to that time, Wigan is like candytown. The amount of benefits/handouts and general "looking after" compared to then is mind boggling.
Even then, I saw proper hunger once. Just once.
Sorry but 1 in 6 my arse.
We could compete over definitions of relative poverty and compare one era with another. The fact is that countries like Holland, Germany and the Scandinavian countries don't have the level of homelessness, child poverty, inequality, deprivation that we have.
Furthermore, since 2010 we have been moving further away from European countries and closer to the USA in various measures of poverty, inequality, health care etc. I could look up figures and post a link, but what's the point when you can assess child poverty in Wigan whilst driving to work, and make accurate comparisons with 40-50 years ago?
The poster didn't talk about relative poverty. He talked about hunger. i.e. absolute poverty.
George Orwell's "Road to Wigan Pier" was about levels of poverty in the 20s and 30s that we've not seen since then. Nor should we. As the GDP of the country increases, and we banish rickets, children up chimneys and down mines, our expectations rise.
Yet, for the past 8 or 9 years, on all measures of poverty, we've been going backwards. Do you understand that? It's horrendous, and should be unthinkable. What's worse is that it's deliberate.
For example, what's happened to the NHS was mapped out in 2005 by "young guns" in the Tory party, including Jeremy Hunt, who became the longest serving Health Sec ever.
Yes, I understand that there are different measures of poverty, but tbh I don't give a stuff about definitions. And I don't care much more about leaving the EU. But i do care about us leaving the civilised world - not on 31st Oct, the process has been under way for 9 years.