medlocke wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:47 pm
Wiganer Ted wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:04 pm
We now know that 11 MP's have formed TIG as a breakaway group from both Labour and Tories.
It's in today's paper that last Monday Cabinet members saw May and told her to stop No Deal and extend A50 . They told her also that if she did not they and other ministers and junior ministers numbering 22 would resign the whip and vote against her Bill.
They also told May that if she were to extend A50 herself then none of that would need to happen.
These minsters etc now know they have somewhere to go.
There's a week to go before the vote so how all this plays out will be interesting.
The formation of this TIG changes everything as it is expected they will join with the Lib Dems and Greens to form a centre left Party. There are billionaire backers waiting for all this to occur but it looks like this could be the start of a real change in UK Politics. Timing of all this is unknown to us right now but this appears to have been very well planned. The fact that TIG have set themselves up as a Private Company so they don't have to disclose their donors shows this has been thought through and been quite a while in the making.
Petulant children spitting out there dummies, All they have in common is Brexit, In 5 weeks time when we leave they are going to be up slack alley, Uncle Teds Anti Brexit Fantasy Funland fails again
Good grief I agree with Medlocke in this thread!
If the 11 had said they were prepared to sacrifice their careers on the single issue of Brexit in an attempt to stop it then they would have my admiration but they actually seem to think they will be forming a political party.
How in earth could it be a centre left party with disaffected Tories in it? How is it possible for MP's who have been Labour MP's in some cases for decades accept a set of policies that Soubry, a died in the wool Tory, agrees with?
When it was just the Labour splitters the first question that came to my mind was, what do they disagree with that was in the last Labour manifesto? Their position was all about what they didn't like (Corbyn and charges of anti-semitism) but are they now against the Labour policy on corporation tax, a higher rate of personal tax if you earn over £85K or policies like taking the railways backin to state control? Many of which poll well?
If they are then they aren't centre left
but I am sure Soubry and the other Tories would not be signing up for a party that was thinking about any of that.
Now the Tories have joined (and if any more do) it's going to be easy for Labour to paint them as even worse than New Labour red Tories by pointing at the voting records of the former Tory members.
When it was just ex-Labour MP's in it, I feared a repeat of the 1980's where the SDP kept the Tories in office for 18 years. This is different. Back then all the defectors to the SDP were Labour MP's and the leaders had all held high office. So it was no surprise they split the Labour vote. These lot are mostly nobodies and they are a marriage of convenience such that I have no clue how they can write a manifesto they can all agree with.
Finally they have already said they won't topple May's govt. Not that they can anyway given the current numbers but if more join and they don't threaten to do that they have ZERO leverage over her and her government and this can also be used against them.