Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Caboosegg » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:04 am

No straw damn us wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:46 am
Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland where it belongs. All Ireland is then part of the EU.
Job done.
Wales back to the welsh and scotland back to the scots?

They we can all become obselete little countries that no one cares about together.
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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Wintergreen » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:37 pm

No straw damn us wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:46 am
Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland where it belongs. All Ireland is then part of the EU.
Job done.
Why don't we give the USA back to the Native Americans, Aus back to the Aborigines while we're at it.

Oh and the Republic of Ireland back to the druids before it was invaded by those pesky Fitz's from France via Wales.

Ridiculous thing to say.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Wandering Warrior » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:50 pm

Caboosegg wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:04 am
No straw damn us wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:46 am
Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland where it belongs. All Ireland is then part of the EU.
Job done.
Wales back to the welsh and scotland back to the scots?

They we can all become obselete little countries that no one cares about together.
Little England are the two words you are looking for!
We only had one referendum but Maggie May wants three attempts to get her $#1t through!!
Where's democracy when it matters? :D
As for some of these Brexi*****, they're like rabid dogs with their death threats!? Go and join ISIS if you want to get involved in that.
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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Wintergreen » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:02 am

DaveO wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:48 pm
Wintergreen wrote:Nearly 3 years and we are no further along with addressing the 2 key issues that were highlighted on day 1 of the vote.

1. How do you reconcile the political will not to have a hard border between NI/ROI with the economic necessity of Brexit.

2. Why would the EU give a more favourable trading position to the UK with the risk of other members wanting their own A la carte version of Brexit and therefore the EU as we know it "breaking up".

That said I am not at all impressed with the Republic of Ireland's attitude during these talks. They are acting like they have an equal say in things. Their GDP is 10% of ours. Frankly to try and put pressure on us is laughable.
Of what significance is the size of the ROI’s economy? How does it make any difference to the issue of the border?

In any case the ROI economy is part of the EU economy which is much bigger than ours. If economic clout has any significance the ROI has it in spades by being part of the EU.
Of course it makes a difference to the negotiating position, and certainly in the ROI case where any bad deal will have a massive impact on their economy.

I'm not talking about the border (though in all honesty we could simply say "if you want one, put one up".

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Mike » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:52 pm

Come on ERG, hold your nerve. Now's not the time to lose your crazy.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by DaveO » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:18 pm

Wintergreen wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:02 am
DaveO wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:48 pm
Wintergreen wrote:Nearly 3 years and we are no further along with addressing the 2 key issues that were highlighted on day 1 of the vote.

1. How do you reconcile the political will not to have a hard border between NI/ROI with the economic necessity of Brexit.

2. Why would the EU give a more favourable trading position to the UK with the risk of other members wanting their own A la carte version of Brexit and therefore the EU as we know it "breaking up".

That said I am not at all impressed with the Republic of Ireland's attitude during these talks. They are acting like they have an equal say in things. Their GDP is 10% of ours. Frankly to try and put pressure on us is laughable.
Of what significance is the size of the ROI’s economy? How does it make any difference to the issue of the border?

In any case the ROI economy is part of the EU economy which is much bigger than ours. If economic clout has any significance the ROI has it in spades by being part of the EU.
Of course it makes a difference to the negotiating position, and certainly in the ROI case where any bad deal will have a massive impact on their economy.

I'm not talking about the border (though in all honesty we could simply say "if you want one, put one up".
The Irish aren't negotiating. The EU are of which they are a part.

There are two aspects to the border issue. The political and the economic but they are inextricably linked. The current free movement of people, goods and livestock over the border is a key part of what makes the political settlement, the GFA, work. That free movement is only possible because we are in the EU.

Economically the ROI is going to be the UK's only land border with the EU so even if there was no GFA, no concern over troubles kicking off again the EU is obliged to treat the UK at that border the same as it treats any third country. It is not within the gift of the ROI govt to ask for anything else even if it wanted to and it's got nothing to do with the size of their economy. It's about the integrity of the single market and WTO rules that prevent the EU from having an open border for the UK (which would be a 3rd country) in Ireland and with no other country anywhere else.

There have been suggestions made from the Brexit side that we can go WTO and just offer not to have a hard border within Ireland but that doesn't work for us either because if we did, we'd have to offer the same to every other country or we'd be in breach of WTO rules.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Wintergreen » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:59 pm

^ I don't dispute any of what you posted.

However, it didn't stop the PM of the ROI from shouting his mouth off at every available opportunity.

Only very recently (when the penny finally dropped about the implications of a no deal Brexit) did he shut up.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by ancientnloyal » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:20 pm

Ireland leaves... simple
Rugby, Family and Strava... that’s about it for me tbh

I’ve seen Ellery Hanley, Martin Offiah and been dragged to Wigan games since memory... absolutely lucky!

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Wandering Warrior » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:31 pm

Yeh! Cut NI adrift and Wales and Scotland!
Comedy Gold!! :D
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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Mike » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:22 pm

Wandering Warrior wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:31 pm
Yeh! Cut NI adrift and Wales and Scotland!
Comedy Gold!! :D
Makes sense to me. Then I can also become an independent nation and stay in.

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