Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Wintergreen » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:54 pm

SJ wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:43 am
Wintergreen wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:16 pm
Well we are already worse off. The value of the pound has fallen from around 1.3 Euros prior to Brexit to around 1.1 Euros today. This is exclusively down to Brexit.

Or if you like, the same meal in France that cost £10 on the eve of the Brexit vote will now cost you £11.82 today.

That's an increase of £1.82 or around 18%

That car you had your eye on at £20,000 would now cost £23,600 , an increase of £3600

The TV that previously cost £1000 now costs £1180, an increase of £180

On a day to day basis this is repeated amongst many smaller purchases, food, groceries, clothing etc

Whether you like it or not we ARE worse off through Brexit. No debate thus far.
I don't have breakfast in France the Tv I bought? I still have. The car I had my eye on. I didn't buy. I've not lost a anything. The holiday I booked is "all Inclusive & Brexit protected. Nothing lost there either. 😀😀😎
I know what your getting at but exchange rates are fluid. They go up as well as down. A country's wealth well being etc isn't measured by an exchange. Rate.
If you want something to worry about think about if we remain we will have to fork out for the e nvisaged EU military. Why is it needed when the EU states are already protected by NATO?could it be the beginnings of the4th Reich?😄😄Scarey or what?

Bear with me as almost everything you typed is wrong, so it may take some time.

1. You might not have breakfast in France but others do. And they ARE worse off. Fact.
2. You may have a TV but the NEXT one that you buy will cost more due to the weaker pound. Fact.
3. Same with a car.
4. Your holiday would have been cheaper were it not for Brexit (unless the holiday company is taking all the hit, but I doubt that). "Brexit protected" etc is just marketing fluff.
5. Exchange rates do indeed go up and down, but the Brexit vote has had a marked and immediate impact, much more than "normal" day to day fluctuations.
6. Actually a countries wealth IS measured, at least indirectly, by the exchange rate.
7. What EU military? Unlike every other point that you have chosen to ignore (which are facts) this is conjecture.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by SJ » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:54 pm

So if I pay more for a breakfast I'm worse off per se. I don't think so. My well being and being worse off doesn't NECESSERALLY followif I pay more fore goods. What about the money saved which we pay to Brussels ?

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by The booze hound » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:01 pm

Wiganer Ted wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:53 pm
2015 I got 1.40 euro when I paid the hotel bill in Portugal. At 1.2 euro it is a straight 20% devaluation.
I'm not great at maths but I think that €1.40 moving down to €1.20 is less than a straight 20% devaluation. I think €1.40 down to €1.12 is about 20% :twisted:

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by SJ » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:42 pm

SJ wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:54 pm
So if I pay more for a breakfast I'm worse off per se. I don't think so. My well being and being worse off doesn't NECESSERALLY followif I pay more fore goods. What about the money saved which we pay to Brussels ?
You also say my comments re EU Military is "conjecture I know that's why I said it was envisaged and on the point of conjecture so are your comments

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by SJ » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:04 pm

For wealth try gdpdividedby pop.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by moto748 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:46 pm

A fall in the value of the pound is frankly the least of our worries with regard to Brexit.

Certainly compared to allowing amoral crooks and shysters like Bozo and Farage anywhere near the levers of power.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by morley pie eater » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:56 pm

Talks on the EU military are well advanced apparently. They've even agreed on having a badge consisting of a unicorn, with the motto "quisquiliae loquentes".

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by SJ » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:08 pm

moto748 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:46 pm
A fall in the value of the pound is frankly the least of our worries with regard to Brexit.

Certainly compared to allowing amoral crooks and shysters like Bozo and Farage anywhere near the levers of power.
It's to your advantage that the forum is not a Newspaper or you and the forum would be on the end of legal proceedings for Libel. The law will eventually catch up with Social Media.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by moto748 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:38 pm

Ah, a barrack-room lawyer!

If suing for libel were as easy as you suggest, Jeremy Corbyn could make a full-time career out of it!

And surely you are not suggesting that "crooks and shysters" is factually incorrect? :lol:

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

Post by Wiganer Ted » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:53 pm

Just seen a piece on Ch4 news about the Brecon by election.
The Tory is telling farmers that they will be compensated in the event of a No Deal Brexit.
Like a true Brexiter he just doesn't get it that farmers don't want compensation when their farms and businesses are wiped out. They don't want their farms and businesses wiped out and some brain dead nut job putting them out of business.

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