ian.birchall wrote: DaveO wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:23 pm
ian.birchall wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:53 pm
Who really cares. 1.6million people live in NI. 4.3 million in Eire and 5.4 million in Yorkshire. Home rule for Yorkshire?
So you are happy to see the breakup of the UK due to your anti EU obsession? This is the green light for Scottish Independence. So much for the Conservative and Unionist party.
What is even more ridiculous is you have not realised that when it comes to negotiating a Free Trade Agreement with the EU, the EU will call the shots. Your hero Johnson has already agreed that fishing quotas will be on the table so not only the DUP have been thrown under a bus but so have the Brexit supporting fishermen. Something I pointed out would happen pages and pages ago in this thread.
The new withdrawal agreement is exactly the same as May's apart from putting a border down the Irish sea and removes the Level Playing field provision from the agreement and puts it into the free trade agreement which for the EU just kicks that can down the road. That is they will insist on the Level Playing Field rules in the FTA. It's just a big con because the UK will acquiesce when push comes to shove.
As to the border down the Irish Sea, here is what Johnson had to say about that back in Feb:
The draft legal text the commission have published would, if implemented, undermine the UK common market and threaten the constitutional integrity of the UK by creating a customs and regulatory border down the Irish Sea, and no UK prime minster could ever agree to it.
Now Dave you know that being a political geek I would know that
about French fishermen from Boulogne (the largest fishing port in France where they are currently allowed to fish in UK waters upto the 6 mile limit whereas UK fishermen are only allowed to fish upto the 12 mile limit off the French coast).
I confidently expect France and Spain as well as Holland and Denmark to be making a pitch for our fish as the trade treaty negotiations continue which is what my own personal choice would be the hardest of hard Brexits and keeping all our money.
So let’s say we get the hardest of hard Brexits. What exactly does that mean for the fishing industry?
Not much from our side. It’s a tiny industry.
If you were such a political geek you’d know the UK offshore fishing industry is a tiny part of our economy. The Scottish part of it, run by a few large trawler owners, contributes less to our GDP than Edinburgh University.
It’s not suddenly going to launching a new fleet. Trawler owners in Grimsby were happy to take seven figure sums off Spanish trawler owners to sell their franchises.
It does however mean a lot to related industries.
The fish processing industry would be killed off. It would face tariffs with your mega hard Brexit. This is why the idiot of a Tory MP in the area suggested places like Grimsby become “free ports” and effectively remain in the EU. As if that will fly when we have just told them to bugger off out of our waters.
Scottish salmon farming would also suddenly attract import tariffs into the EU and again, the EU aren’t going to let that one go if we won’t give some quid pro quo.
I really don’t know what you expect to happen even with your hard Brexit. As soon as we start negotiating a FTA then the government must decide its priorities and its compromises. The fisherman will be thrown under a bus regardless of how hard a Brexit it is because the government isn’t going to disadvantage much larger industries to keep them or people such as yourself happy because they are fixated on the crazy notion our fishing industry is some sort of important talisman all else must give way to.
You seem to live in a fantasy world where your mythical hard Brexit allows us to do things like not negotiate access to our waters for foreign fishing boats and there are no negative consequences.
It’s delusions like this that led to the 2016 result in the first place.