Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other forum)

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other...

Post by DaveO » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:36 pm

ian.birchall wrote:Its a simple choice. Do we want to be an independent country or a banana republic. Your choice DaveO and Ted, I know what i want.
What you want and what you will get are two different things. Brexit = illusion of independence and a banana republic.

What exactly do you mean be independent country?

In the modern world there is no such thing unless you are the USA or China. Why don't you understand this?

Even if we become the only only country in the world to trade under WTO terms we have to agree our WTO schedules and any country can veto it. The USA, Australia and NZ have already objected to our proposed quota schedules. So we are already being dictated to.

If we start signing trade agreements then we start to give up bits of sovereignty again.

Japan just signed a trade deal with the EU and in it to take but one of many examples, they agree to adhere to EU standards on workers rights so their government has given up it's right to reduce them. If we sign a trade deal with the EU we will have to agree the same.

What will we have to agree to in order to sign trade deals with the USA, China and India?

Or do you think we have so much offer the rest of the world is going to bend over backwards for us? Well its not.

Corbyn and Rees-Mogg are equally deluded. The former thinks he's going to be able to sign trade deals ignoring what the USA wants and while Rees-Mogg would gladly jump to Trumps tune, he's not going to get a trade deal with the EU if it does not agree to their standards in numerous areas. So much for independence eh?


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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other...

Post by Mike » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:36 pm

SJ wrote:
Wandering Warrior wrote:
SJ wrote: :lol: :lol: ok. Where do you suggest I start?no don't bother. I really couldn't care less
I don't suppose you do, you've had your gig so stuff anybody else, eh?
It's not really like that WW. I've tried to put forward a balanced opinion. If people want to gamble on an economic conjecture against a political certainty what more can I say It's up to them.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 4th Reich... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Balanced opinion :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Wiganer Ted » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:55 pm

Meds, tariffs were tariffs then and are now,quotas the same.
Checking goods at customs borders are the same now as then, technology has changed it but the work has to be done.
What happens in the world has moved on but the world has not changed.
France is where it is as is the rest of Europe and the world.
Europe are our nearest trading nations, that hasn't changed nor will it.

How we trade with them can and will change if we leave the EU.
Watching tv when they speak to road hauliers, Dover port people and customs tells us exactly what will happen if we leave without a deal. Not that it will happen as it won't get through parliament.

We joined the EEA as it was driven by business and the politicians knew it would succeed and it did. Brexit is driven by politicians and business doesn't want to know so it will fail, absolutely guaranteed.




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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other...

Post by medlocke » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:48 pm

Wiganer Ted wrote:Meds, tariffs were tariffs then and are now,quotas the same.
Checking goods at customs borders are the same now as then, technology has changed it but the work has to be done.
What happens in the world has moved on but the world has not changed.
France is where it is as is the rest of Europe and the world.
Europe are our nearest trading nations, that hasn't changed nor will it.

How we trade with them can and will change if we leave the EU.
Watching tv when they speak to road hauliers, Dover port people and customs tells us exactly what will happen if we leave without a deal. Not that it will happen as it won't get through parliament.

We joined the EEA as it was driven by business and the politicians knew it would succeed and it did. Brexit is driven by politicians and business doesn't want to know so it will fail, absolutely guaranteed.
Burma, Ceylon, Czechoslovakia, Rhodesia, Sikkim, Southwest Africa, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Western Samoa, Yugoslavia and Zaire are all gone now so how can you say the world is still the same Ted?

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other...

Post by moto748 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:40 am

Wiganer Ted wrote:
We joined the EEA
Well, kind of. We were members of the EEA by virtue of being in the EU. When/if we leave the EU, we will no longer be in the EEA.

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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other...

Post by SJ » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:50 am

Mike wrote:
SJ wrote:
Wandering Warrior wrote: I don't suppose you do, you've had your gig so stuff anybody else, eh?
It's not really like that WW. I've tried to put forward a balanced opinion. If people want to gamble on an economic conjecture against a political certainty what more can I say It's up to them.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 4th Reich... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Balanced opinion :lol: :lol: :lol:


yes it's the hyperbole on this thread. It must be catching .......still you have to laugh don't you Mike :cool: :sly: :conf:

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Post by Wiganer Ted » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:22 am

Whilst all the media were droning on about drones we were given a Brexit free day.
A few interesting bits came out though,
1, A cross party group of MPs are to put amendments to the finance bill which will prevent the Government providing anym ore funds in Brexit preparation for No Deal. Their overall purpose is to stop a No Deal Brexit.

2. A YouGov poll gave an 18 lead to Remain when people where asked would you prefer Brexit with Theresa May's Bill or Remain in the EU.
59% said they'd vote Remain with 41% saying they'd back May's deal.

3, Vladimir Putin said he backed May to deliver Brexit and there should not be another democratic vote. So now our PM has the backing of both Trump and Putin. Good on her!

Parliament might be on holiday but it looks like the politics will continue.

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Post by medlocke » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:44 am

Wiganer Ted wrote:Whilst all the media were droning on about drones we were given a Brexit free day.
A few interesting bits came out though,
1, A cross party group of MPs are to put amendments to the finance bill which will prevent the Government providing anym ore funds in Brexit preparation for No Deal. Their overall purpose is to stop a No Deal Brexit.

2. A YouGov poll gave an 18 lead to Remain when people where asked would you prefer Brexit with Theresa May's Bill or Remain in the EU.
59% said they'd vote Remain with 41% saying they'd back May's deal.

3, Vladimir Putin said he backed May to deliver Brexit and there should not be another democratic vote. So now our PM has the backing of both Trump and Putin. Good on her!

Parliament might be on holiday but it looks like the politics will continue.
Yougov :lol: :lol:


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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other...

Post by Wandering Warrior » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:08 pm

The Putin comment is interesting, he'd be made up with the break up of Europe. I wonder why?
Any airheads out there that can answer the question?
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Re: Why we will be worse off through Brexit (Question from other...

Post by Wiganer Ted » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:58 pm

Moto, when I mentioned we joined the EEA I was referring to 1973 when we joined the Common Market. The official name of the CM was European Economic Area.
Prior to that we were in EFTA with 5 other countries and had a Free Trade Agreement with them. There was also the Commonwealth with a FTA. We joined the CM as that was where the trade was as there was little trade in EFTA and Commonwealth.

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