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Saracens

Post by OAMJSONA » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:42 pm

Premiership and European champions Saracens have been deducted 35 points and fined £5.36m for breaching salary cap regulations in three seasons.

The punishment comes after an investigation into business partnerships between chairman Nigel Wray and some of the club's players.

Saracens will appeal and have described the sanctions as "heavy-handed".

A Premiership Rugby statement said both punishments would be suspended if Saracens chose to review the decision.

Official league tables have already been updated to show Sarries bottom of the Premiership with -26 points.

Saracens 'absolutely devastated' by punishment
The charges relate to a failure to disclose player payments in each of the 2016-17, 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons.

Saracens previously claimed they "readily comply" with salary cap rules and were able to spend above the £7m cap because of the high proportion - almost 60% - of home-grown players in their squad.

"This is absolutely devastating for everyone associated with this amazing group of players, staff, partners and fans," Wray said in a statement.

"It's been acknowledged by the panel that we never deliberately sought to mislead anyone or breach the cap.

"That's why it feels like the rug is being completely pulled out from under our feet. We will appeal all the findings."

During an independent disciplinary panel hearing, Saracens saw their challenge of the validity of the regulations on competition law grounds rejected.

Premiership Rugby introduced their salary cap in 1999 to ensure the financial viability of all clubs and the competition.

The regulations are also designed to control inflationary pressures on clubs' costs and provide a level playing field for clubs and a competitive Premiership.

"The decision upholds both the principle of the salary cap and the charges brought following an extensive investigation," a Premiership spokesperson said.

"We're pleased this process has reached a conclusion."

'The biggest story in English club rugby history'
Analysis: BBC rugby union correspondent Chris Jones

Saracens have been the dominant force in the domestic game for the best part of a decade - scooping seven major titles and providing the spine of the England World Cup team - but that success will now be considered tainted.

How long has it been going on? Will the club keep their titles? What will happen with their appeal, given they insist they were involved in legitimate business dealings with players? What happens now to the current squad, which may need to be dismantled, especially with a £5m fine and the threat of relegation?

And what do players, coaches and fans at other clubs think, given everyone is affected in some way by this? On that note, do any other clubs in the league have something to hide?

Like with the Bloodgate scandal involving Harlequins 10 years ago, the fallout to this will be significant and lengthy, and will damage the integrity of the Premiership just at the point the league is looking to launch a global expansion.

This is probably the biggest story in English club rugby history.

Sarries a sporting powerhouse
Saracens have developed into a true sporting powerhouse during the past decade, winning five Premiership titles and three European Champions Cups since 2010-11.

Two of those domestic titles came in the timeframe that Premiership Rugby have been investigating, with Mark McCall's side winning 53 of 72 league and play-off matches during that period.

They have been equally dominant in European competition, having lifted the trophy in three of the past four seasons.

How the Premiership table looks after Saracens' points deduction is applied
How the Premiership table looks after Saracens' points deduction
Premiership table in full
In the five seasons Saracens have finished as Premiership champions, a 35-point deduction would have meant them not reaching the play-offs by finishing in the top four, but would also not have seen them relegated.

They would have finished 10th last season had the same punishment been imposed.

Saracens have won two of their three Premiership matches so far this season.

They started the current Premiership campaign with a significant number of their star players still on World Cup duty.

Of the 31-man squad representing England in Japan, seven players came from Saracens - including captain Owen Farrell and forwards Mako and Billy Vunipola.

Full-back Elliot Daly, another member of the side that went on to lose the final against South Africa on Saturday, will join Sarries following the conclusion of the tournament.
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Re: Saracens

Post by Nate90 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:48 pm

Knowing us we'll finally get Owen Farrell and then end up going ridiculously over cap by doing so

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Re: Saracens

Post by DaveO » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:59 pm

This gives some more detail:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... cap-breach

It seems several players including Owen Farrell entered into investment or property partnerships with the club chairman, Nigel Wray.

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Re: Saracens

Post by fozzieskem » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:17 pm

Now that’s what I call a punishment,time for Farrell to give proper rugby a go

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Re: Saracens

Post by josie andrews » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:04 am

It appears the old custom of “boot money” is still alive & kicking & clapping 😉
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Re: Saracens

Post by ian.birchall » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:16 am

josie andrews wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:04 am
It appears the old custom of “boot money” is still alive & kicking & clapping 😉
Big Boots to fill as well Josie, not just marginally over the salary cap but in a different league.
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Re: Saracens

Post by SJ » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:17 am

fozzieskem wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:17 pm
Now that’s what I call a punishment,time for Farrell to give proper rugby a go
He wouldn't make it. The news media made Wilkinson a "genius " but I go with Owens own characterisation of himself and by association with Wilkinson" I just kick a ball. ! That's the best observation I've heard from a selfaffacing player. No hyperbolic journalistic tripe😎

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Re: Saracens

Post by SJ » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:25 am

Read "selfaffacing as effacing or modest "😜

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Re: Saracens

Post by ian.birchall » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:13 am

ian.birchall wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:16 am
josie andrews wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:04 am
It appears the old custom of “boot money” is still alive & kicking & clapping 😉
Big Boots to fill as well Josie, not just marginally over the salary cap but in a different league. death?
Just read the story in the Daily Telegraph Sports section.
The official salary cap for RU Premiership sides is £7 million, already a figure way outside the imagination of any Rugby League club but then on top of that with allowances for the production of academy players and also for producing international players for England, (Saracens had 7 players in the England Squad in the RU World Cup in Japan), Saracens salary cap could have been as high as £9 million and yet they still broke it. That £9 million would have paid the entire salaries I would think of the bottom 5 or possibly 6 sides in Superleague.
If RU are going to set a pattern like this should Leeds and Warrington be worried to
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Re: Saracens

Post by Wigan_forever1985 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:57 am

fozzieskem wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:17 pm
Now that’s what I call a punishment,time for Farrell to give proper rugby a go
I think had England won the world cup we would of had a chance but he is still a very high commodity in union
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