Salary Cap Hearing

[butt monkey]

On this understanding, will these deferred payment now NOT count on this years Salary Cap. Meaning that we should (theoretically) be well under, to the tune of around £200,000 for this season.

[butt monkey]

Or is there another sting to the tail of this!

[Margaret]

wigan fans should have a protest outside the JJB to get Lyndsey out IF HE STAYS WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE CLUB NEXT SEASON ? He did us last year and then told us that all new signings were within the salary cap so,now he has pulled the team down again and he has lied to the fans How can we trust him ever again?

[weststand-rich]

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Fujiman posted:

GeoffN posted:


"The RFL are also understood to have questioned image rights contracts held by the club and whether they carried over into the current season."

Further trouble?

Image rights can be registered in the channel islands and provide an effective save of up to ~8K tax for a canny player. This won't be a major issue - all clubs will do something along this line.

[bikerharry]

The crux of the matter seems to be deferred payments. This being the case, are the RFL saying we are the only club to do this, or are we the only ones to own up to it?

[pedro]

I cannot understand rule 1.3. As its not concrete as someone has to decide at the given moment what the "spirit" is. We may not think we have done this but the RFL does. So its a breakdown. Therefore should be re-written and we should have a warning as we didnt intend it like they ahve taken it.

In a workplace you cannot discipline someone who does something wrong if they havent been told the rules properly and to a degree they understand.

Just because we deferred payments its our right as a business to distribute that money as we seem fit. So...they tell us how much we can spend, on how many players and now they are telling us how to spend it totally. Its a joke the cap now.

[robjoenz]

The way I see it, every Super League club was given a finite amount of money to spend in the 2006 season. That money is there to pay for players wages in order to achieve the clubs objective for that season, whether it be SL survival, a play-off position or the grand final.

What Wigan did was decide that they would spend more because plans made at the beginning of the season weren't going right. Therefore, wages for players playing in 2006 games went over the salary cap by 6.3%. Roughly equating it to 9 players wages for 3 months gave Wigan an extra 27 months in players wages or £222k. This equates to atleast 2 players more than all SL clubs that didn't breach the salary cap. Without this benefit would Wigan have survived? There's no way of knowing, however, would Castleford or Widnes have survived had they had 2 extra players of Wigan's quality when they went down? Who knows, possibly. (Admittedly Leigh wouldnt' have!)

Also consider if other clubs tried doing the same thing. If Salford now decided they wanted to go £0.22m over the cap this season and decided to pay players next season. If they budgeted correctly and remained in SL they would severely struggle next season, to the detriment of the game. OR they may be forced to go over the cap next season. If they were relegated this year after overspending then they'd be close to going under.

[jaws1]

robjoenz posted:
The way I see it, every Super League club was given a finite amount of money to spend in the 2006 season. That money is there to pay for players wages in order to achieve the clubs objective for that season, whether it be SL survival, a play-off position or the grand final.

What Wigan did was decide that they would spend more because plans made at the beginning of the season weren't going right. Therefore, wages for players playing in 2006 games went over the salary cap by 6.3%. Roughly equating it to 9 players wages for 3 months gave Wigan an extra 27 months in players wages. This equates to over 2 players more than all SL clubs that didn't breach the salary cap. Without this benefit would Wigan have survived? There's no way of knowing, however, would Castleford or Widnes have survived had they had 2 extra players of Wigan's quality when they went down? Who knows, possibly. (Admittedly Leigh wouldnt' have!)

Also consider if other clubs tried doing the same thing. If Salford now decided they wanted to go £0.22m over the cap this season and decided to pay players next season. If they budgeted correctly and remained in SL they would severely struggle next season, to the detriment of the game. OR they may be forced to go over the cap next season. If they were relegated this year after overspending then they'd be close to going under.

Rob i take on board what you say about the money spent in a season and extra players etc.
Wigan at the end of the season actually had less players at the end of the season through players being sent on loan etc.Wigan tried to do a flanker and tried to defer payments to try to go under the cap and did not work as yet DW might have a say in that.
The big question you have to ask yourself is the salary cap working in my opinion it isnt the playing field has not levelled out there are only 4 clubs that have won the grand final in all the SL existance .For the salary cap to work ALL the clubs should be able to spend up to the limit as happens in the NRL not a handfull as is happening in the SL.
When you look at the concept of SL 12 years ago the vision was to have bigger clubs so getting bigger gates it was cotravertional then and probably is now but the amalgamation of clubs could have been the step forward to me the game is going backwards.
If Franchises can bring in more wealthier Club Chairmen from outside the game then so be it but with the salary cap as it stands at the moment it is ruining the game .Just imagine a wealthy Chairman wanting a franchise and is prepared to spend Millions on seting a club up only to be told you can only spend X amount on playing staff.
His opinion is that if i spend money on money on top class players then it fill bums on seats .I dont want a mediocre side that will play to empty stadia so he walks away.

[pedro]

I was thinking that. Whats the point of ahve a franchise. You have to have a certain ground and prove you have certain amounts of money. Whats the point when you dont really need financial backing as you cannot usem the money. Scrap the cap and vring in franchises.

[Spanakopitta]

this is all going to get very complicated.

Wigan haven't actually PAID the money to the players yet but the RFL are deeming that we have.

Surely this won't count on this season's cap eventhough the money is actually being paid this season??????

We can't pay the money once but have it taken into account twice.

I can't believe the woolly definitions used within the salary cap "rules".

Do they not include formalised definitions of certain phrases as is usual within these types of documents.

How can you work within the "Spirit of the salary cap" if what actually constitutes the spirit isn't clearly defined.

Surely the possibility of deferring payments was discussed with the RFL at the time of Fielden's signing? Looking at the amount we are over despite offloading players left, right and centre, both us and the RFL must have known there would still be a considerable overspend and shouldn't have ratified his signing.