Not enough time:

[GeoffN]

Just out of interest...


Coaches ranked by length of tenure:

1. Jim Sullivan: 20 years
2. Eric Ashton: 10 years
3. Joe Egan: 5 years
4. John Monie (1st spell): 3yrs 8 months
5. Brian Noble: 3 yrs 2 months

the other 25 coaches have all had less time than Nobby.

[Shaun1967]

There's our answer then - bring back Jim Sullivan.

[cpwigan]

We treated Jim poorly at the end and pushed him into the hands of Saints where he transformed them into the best team they have ever had.

We made Eric Ashton retire from International RL in orrder to get the captain / coach position

[ancientnloyal]

Bamford has to get some time back

[DaveO]

Just out of interest...


Coaches ranked by length of tenure:

1. Jim Sullivan: 20 years
2. Eric Ashton: 10 years
3. Joe Egan: 5 years
4. John Monie (1st spell): 3yrs 8 months
5. Brian Noble: 3 yrs 2 months

the other 25 coaches have all had less time than Nobby.

Very interesting and I have taken the liberty of linking to this from rlfans as I am sure there are plenty of people unaware of this who argue he hasn't had enough time.

I wonder what the average "life expectancy" of a coach is across SL since SL came in? Would not be surprised if it was three years or less.

Dave

[shaunedwardsfanclub]

Geoff - perhaps you could add to the table the number of trophies won?

[GeoffN]

Geoff - perhaps you could add to the table the number of trophies won?

I'll let you do that...

[ancientnloyal]

since '98, Mike Gregory - 1

[MrDave]

Jim Sullivan
1932/33 - 4th League
1933/34 - 2nd League, League Champions
1934/35 - 3rd League
1935/36 - 4th League
1936/37 - 5th League
1937/38 - 9th League
1938/39 - 9th League, Lacashire Cup
1939/40 - 3rd in Lancashire War Emergency League
1940/41 - 1st in Lancashire War Emergency League, League Champions
1941/42 - 6th in War Emergency League
1942/43 - 1st in War Emergency League
1943/44 - 2nd in War Emergency League, War League Champions
1944/45 - 4th in War Emergency League
1945/46 - 1st League, League Champions, Lancashire League
1946/47 - 1st League, League Champions, Lancashire League, Lancashire Cup
1947/48 - 1st League, Challenge Cup, Lancashire Cup
1948/49 - 2nd League, Lancashire Cup
1949/50 - 1st League, League Champions, Lancashire Cup, Lancashire League
1950/51 - 2nd League, Challenge Cup, Lancashire Cup
1951/52 - 2nd League, League Champions, Lancashire Cup, Lancashire League

Average League (including War League) Finish = 3

League Champions (including War League) = 7
Challenge Cup = 2
Lancashire Cup = 7
Lancashire League = 4
Total Cups = 20
Average Cups Per Season = 1

(The year after Jim Sullivan left - 1952/53 - St Helens = 1st, League Champions, Lancashire League. Wigan = 11th.)

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Eric Ashton
1963/1964 - 2nd League
1964/1965 - 2nd League, Challenge Cup
1965/1966 - 3rd League
1966/1967 - 17th League (out of 30), Lancashire Cup
1967/1968 - 11th League
1968/1969 - 3rd League, BBC 2 Floodlit Trophy
1969/1970 - 4th League, Lancashire League
1970/1971 - 1st League,
1971/1972 - 4th League, Lancashire Cup
1972/1973 - 16th League (Centenary Year, 18-18 draw against Australia)

Average League Finish = 6

Challenge Cup = 1
Lancashire Cup = 2
Lancashire League = 1
BBC Floodlit Trophy = 1
Total Cups = 5
Average Cups Per Season = 0.5.

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Joe Egan
1956/1957 - 6th League
1957/1958 - 5th League, Challenge Cup
1958/1959 - 2nd League, Challenge Cup, Lancashire League
1959/1960 - 4th League, League Champions
1960/1961 - 5th League

Avarage League Finish = 4

League Champions = 1
Challenge Cups = 2
Lancashire League = 1
Total Cups = 4
Avergae Cups Per Season = 0.8.

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John Monie
1989/1990 - 1st League, League Champions, Challenge Cup, Regal Trophy
1990/1991 - 1st League, League Champions, Challenge Cup
1991/1992 - 1st League, League Champions, Challenge Cup, Premiership Trophy, World Club Challenge, World Sevens, Charity Shield
1992/1993 - 1st League, League Champions, Challenge Cup, Regal Trophy, Lancashire Cup (Last Comp)

Average League Finish = 1st

League Champions = 4
Challenge Cups = 4
Regal Trophy = 2
Premiership Trophy = 1
Charity Shield = 1
World Club Challenge = 1

Total Cups = 13
Average Cups Pre Season = 3

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Brian Noble
2006 - 8th League
2007 - 6th League
2008 - 4th League
2009 ? (Wigan should finish second )

Average League Finish = 6th

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League Table
Name (Average Finish, Average Cups, Time At Club)

John Monie (1, 3, 3y 8m)
Jim Sullivan (3, 1, 20)
Joe Egan (4, 0.8, 5)
Eric Ashton (6, 0.5, 10)
Brian Noble (6, 0, 3)

[cpwigan]

We were robbed in the 71/2 Champuionship Final v Saints. One of the most blatant offside tries ever seen.

I know fans rightly talk about Billy B as the greatest Wigan player etc but truly Jim Sullivan surpasses Billy B by a wide margin given his playing / coaching career combined. How stupid were we tio drive him into Saints arms and build their best ever team.