If Nobby goes.........

[DaveO]

Wigan are the best we sould expect the best. Noble had a track record of being the best in England but he inherited a squad that suited his tactics down to the ground at Bradford, at Wigan the players are not big enough and the conditioning not suited to the players, if he took over Catalans it would be a different story and IMO he would win something with them.

Who do you think is ultimately responsible for the conditioning of the Wigan players? It's Noble.

He has had three and a half years to get Forshaw conditioning the players the right way. He even has Fielden who was one of his presumably correctly conditioned Bradford players in the ranks looking a shadow of the player he was physically. Feka is overweight and Riddell has an apt nickname.

As a team we look more poorly conditioned now then I can ever remember and that is a failing that Noble must carry the can for.

Dave

[DaveO]

Noble goes, and on here it will be a party hoorahh the bad coach has gone... mark my words better the devil you know because as it stands, at this very moment, there is not a coach available that is considered "World class"

Noble wasn't available when we got him.

According to people on here he doesnt seem to have the money to splash out on a buy out,

Then assuming Noble only does one more year as IL said that was all he wanted in Sl, what do we do in 2011 when there are no top coaches available then either?

You think 11 defeats is bad, wait until next year if we appoint an assistant Aussie or an in house coach.

I.L will get the blame, but for what?, listening to the fans and seeing Noble go down the road.

You simply cannot leave things as they are with 11 defeats one season after another. Will the new coach be better? Well that is the plan but of course no one has a crystal ball but I'll say it again, you can't leave things as they are because we are not good enough.

So you would sooner have a season like Warringtons?? which IMO has been a disaster??

They won one of the two trophies going! They were rubbish until Smith arrived and he has turned things around pretty quickly in half a season. So would I have taken him here at Wigan had Noble been sacked after we lost to Celtic? Yep.

He sould have been given another year or two just so we can work angles on a coach we deserve. I.L will be shot down in flames if he gets this wrong. But if he appoints a "World class" coach all the things that have been said about I.L will be all forgotten.

According to IL Noble only wants one more year in SL and given his record with us there is no point giving him another year here out of nothing but sentimentality because that is the only reason I can think of under the circumstances people want to give him the contract. Three seasons of dour rugby and lost semi finals is enough.

I would sooner him have 1 more year and wait to see who becomes available than watching even worse rugby next year.

Why is it a given it will be worse next year with a new coach? The new coach will have what seems likely to be the same squad and given there are obvious faults that need rectifying if he can do that we should improve. Noble hasn't rectified the faults in three years so it's time we found out if someone else can.

A win is a win no matter how it looks or how we play, winning scruffy is the signs of Grand Finalists. Castleford have blown teams out of the water after we went there and won a very hard fought game. What does that say about us? we have character to win the hard games.

We have what it takes to win the Grand Final without luck, without dodgy desigions by the reff and without fans of this club suggesting we cant. See you at Old Trafford.

No one thinks it impossible we will get there but given the way we have played this season and where we will finish in the league it is much less likely we get there than the teams above us. That is the whole point of the playoffs and is just common sense.

So Saints wont get there its the buisness end of the season thats the most important, and to be fair Saints and Leeds are very ordinary. We can buck the trend of winning from a lower position.

The teams most likely to get to the final are the teams who win who are in the top 4 games in week one. They get a week off for round 2 while the likes of us batter ourselves against the other sides (assuming we win in round 1 of course).

Hes in between a rock and a hard place and i believe at this very moment if Noble goes hes made a mistake.

3 defeats in 13 games is as good as the top 2, better than Saints who have lost 5. Leeds have lost 2 one of them against us. And lets have it right the defeat to Saints sould never have been no matter how you look at it.

Unfortunately our league position isn't determined by the last 13 games but all 27. What that means is three years in a row we have given ourselves too much to do. It is Noble who carry's the can for the slow starts.

In 2007 and 2008 we ran out of steam and that was with Barrett and Hock in the side. What makes you think we won't run out of steam again?

As I said its not impossible to get to the GF because the play off system is a knock out competition but it is unlikely we will get there. We are not "serious contenders" as Jim put it because we will finish 5th or 6th so we are merely in with a shout.

Given our form and the fact we are able to grind out wins makes us in with a shout as much as Leeds and Saints IMO and with Sam Tomkins in the side we will always have a chance of winning.

Grinding out wins v poor sides is not gong to get us to a GF. We will have to beat the teams with good footy and maintain a high level of play over all the rounds.

Dave

[highland convert]

DaveO wrote
Grinding out wins v poor sides is not gong to get us to a GF. We will have to beat the teams with good footy and maintain a high level of play over all the rounds.

Dave

Dave if we beat Hudd in the final game we have turned over every team in superleague at least once this season. That can hardly be grinding out wins against poor sides.
Jim

[gpartin]

DaveO wrote
Grinding out wins v poor sides is not gong to get us to a GF. We will have to beat the teams with good footy and maintain a high level of play over all the rounds.

Dave

Dave if we beat Hudd in the final game we have turned over every team in superleague at least once this season. That can hardly be grinding out wins against poor sides.
Jim

Jim we have had to grind out wins against poor sides and made things more difficult for ourselves on more than one occasion. Your first point has absolutely no relevance to this whatsoever.

[Shaun1967]

The main problem is that Noble is working against club policy. Our aim is to build our future around the youngsters - a policy Noble has avoided since he started coaching anywhere. There is conflict between the way we want to go and the way our coach is leading us. All youngsters who have broken into the squad over the last couple of years have done so due to injuries to older players.

DaveO is absolutely right, Noble overseas all aspects of conditioning and guides Mike Forshaw as to what he wants from him.

[Panchitta Marra]

Craig Bellamy,Des Hasler,Tim Sheens,Daniel Anderson,Wayne Bennett,Shawn Edwards,Mal Meninga. You cant really argue with any of these. And possibly turning the worst side in the NRL to the second best team in the NRL Kevin Moore.

Wigan are the best we sould expect the best. Noble had a track record of being the best in England but he inherited a squad that suited his tactics down to the ground at Bradford, at Wigan the players are not big enough and the conditioning not suited to the players, if he took over Catalans it would be a different story and IMO he would win something with them.

Im not saying dont give assistants a chance, just not at Wigan. IMO Adrian Lam would be a disaster too. Apparently hes an amature porn star as well.

I would be chuffed to bits if Michael Mcguire, Terry Gilmiester or even Rick Stone wanted to be associated with Wigan Warriors.
OK these 3 are just assistant coaches, but so are the below list of ex-assistant coaches:
Nathan Brown.
Justin Morgan.
Tony Smith. (for me, he also gets back up from bro Brian).
Terry Matterson, has turned Cas around.
Millward @ Stains.
Mick Potter @ Les Catalans.
Anderson @ Stains.
Mathew Elliot @ Bradford.

Most of those blokes were someones assistant in Australia, who then decided to further their careers over here.
Not a bad bunch to be honest, as far as club success is concerned, or bettering their team in general.

Nothing to say that the likes of McGuire with the successful club backgrounds could not lead Wigan warriors to better things.

[shaunedwardsfanclub]

I may be wrong SEFC but I thought AMOR trialled after IFL took over. However, I agree. I honestly believe some great RL talents do not even play RL which is a loss and there must be talents outside the traditional amateur catchment area. It would be arrogant on our part to assume that a small area of Wigan has all the future Wigan RL professional stars.

There's quite a few good players in the Championship! One lad I have really been impressed with is Ellis from Barrow.

[shaunedwardsfanclub]

I may be wrong SEFC but I thought AMOR trialled after IFL took over. However, I agree. I honestly believe some great RL talents do not even play RL which is a loss and there must be talents outside the traditional amateur catchment area. It would be arrogant on our part to assume that a small area of Wigan has all the future Wigan RL professional stars.

Greg Mcnally, playing at Whitehaven, on loan from Huddersfield. One for the future, how did he slip through the net.
As someone said, Cumbria is never looked at.
Wath Brow Hornets will be up with the top teams in the National conference this season, but by all acounts now have big links to Bradford Bulls.
I honestly hope certain people will be leaving Wigan at the end of this season, for the sake of recruiting top youngsters.

Chorley have big links with Saints! Where did the Tomkins start their junior rugby? I'll give you one guess!

As for Noble, he is probably getting 60% out of the players. My view is that a new coach will get considerably more out of them, hence, I am willing to bet that we will not lose as many games as this season with a new man at the helm.

As for Waney, I don't see him as the head coach but a full-time assistant. Oh and by the way, he can motivate players. You'll be happy to know that he is currently on Pryce's case.

[georgeorwell]

All this speculation is good fun and very informative, but best of all it can run and run until we know for sure who's leaving and who's coming in.

[DaveO]

All this speculation is good fun and very informative, but best of all it can run and run until we know for sure who's leaving and who's coming in.

Well in the article abuot Riddell having gone home it says this right at the end:

Noble is resigned to leaving Wigan when his contract expires at the end of his season.

Asked yesterday if there was any update on the situation, he replied: "No, nothing. As the weeks go by, I'm a sensible fella, you kind of get the message."

So it appears he has not been told one way or the other which quite frankly stinks whether you are pro or anti Noble.

What is IL playing at? Is he hoping Noble will stick around just in case his preferred choice says no?

It should be sorted by now even if we were not to be given the news.

Dave