The "coach of the year" award clearly has a different meaning for us.
Seems to me that the successful clubs keep their coaches for more than a year.
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But we aren't successful.GeoffN posted:
Seems to me that the successful clubs keep their coaches for more than a year.![]()
My point, exactly. Cause and effect?DaveO posted:But we aren't successful.GeoffN posted:
Seems to me that the successful clubs keep their coaches for more than a year.![]()
Dave
farrarGeoffN posted:
Dorahey, West, Hughes, Monie, Goodway, Endicott, Raper, Gregory, Betts...?
The "coach of the year" award clearly has a different meaning for us.
Seems to me that the successful clubs keep their coaches for more than a year.![]()
Millward?????GeoffN posted:
Dorahey, West, Hughes, Monie, Goodway, Endicott, Raper, Gregory, Betts...?
It could work either way couldn't it! No success, sack the coach. OR Sacking the coach means no success.GeoffN posted:My point, exactly. Cause and effect?DaveO posted:But we aren't successful.GeoffN posted:
Seems to me that the successful clubs keep their coaches for more than a year.![]()
Dave
True, but at the start of that sequence (around 1994), we were the most successful club in the world (in any sport, arguably), until we started sacking our coaches on a yearly basis. My point is that none of the coaches I mentioned have been given a chance to build...There are some good coaches in that list (and some bad ones, admittedly), so is it their fault they didn't deliver, or does the problem lie elsewhere?DaveO posted:It could work either way couldn't it! No success, sack the coach. OR Sacking the coach means no success.GeoffN posted:My point, exactly. Cause and effect?DaveO posted: But we aren't successful.
Dave
I think you have to judge each case on its merits as Betts said himself the only certainty about coiaching is that one day you will get sacked.
Dave
From what i've heard from several players, past and present, unless the coach is prepared to be a "yes man" He's gone.GeoffN posted:True, but at the start of that sequence (around 1994), we were the most successful club in the world (in any sport, arguably), until we started sacking our coaches on a yearly basis. My point is that none of the coaches I mentioned have been given a chance to build...There are some good coaches in that list (and some bad ones, admittedly), so is it their fault they didn't deliver, or does the problem lie elsewhere?DaveO posted:It could work either way couldn't it! No success, sack the coach. OR Sacking the coach means no success.GeoffN posted: My point, exactly. Cause and effect?
I think you have to judge each case on its merits as Betts said himself the only certainty about coiaching is that one day you will get sacked.
Dave
I am not sure what you mean by yes man. We all know Wigan coaches are given a team to work with and told to get on with it. It might not be to everyones liking but it has been like that for years.bertina posted:
From what i've heard from several players, past and present, unless the coach is prepared to be a "yes man" He's gone.
Dorahay's exit was down to player power (ask Shaun Edwards) and Mike Greg due to illness so I don't think you can leave thise decisions at Mo and Whelens doors.Whelan and Mo take all the major decisions and the coach is hung out to dry.
that's why we have had such a high turnover of coaches.
I can't remember if ML had come back to the club before Goodway was sacked, but maybe it was still Peter Norbury in charge at that time.DaveO posted:Dorahay's exit was down to player power (ask Shaun Edwards) and Mike Greg due to illness so I don't think you can leave thise decisions at Mo and Whelens doors.Whelan and Mo take all the major decisions and the coach is hung out to dry.
that's why we have had such a high turnover of coaches.
I also think that some of those coaches left when Mo and Whelen were not at the club IIRC.
Dave