Good Friday First 15 Minutes Analysis

[shaunedwardsfanclub]

So why wasnt Waneball employed in the first 15 minutes?

At the start of the season Wane said they were going to play in a different way - was this the Waneball way? Maybe they decided that this was being overplayed in,previous games and they should resort to normal forwards driving the ball up to gain field position?

I did notice in the match the backs taking the ball up a lot from our line even when we were "under the pump" to use a fashionable expression. I found this a bit baffling as no forward seemed to touch the ball for several sets.

We are just copying the Aussies, quick play the ball and scooting from your fast men.

[shaunedwardsfanclub]

For you Mike and whomever

Wigan kick off.

Maybe we are better kicking off than receiving ? No Waneball just hard defence we score after 53 seconds from a charge down.

6-0
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WIGAN 1ST Set - Exit set
1 - Faz 1 out
2 - Mos 1 out
3 - Clubb 1 out
4 - Bateman - 1 out RUNS across the back of the POTB, makes Walmsley work AGAIn, tackle ineffective
5 - Mossop 1 out
Wigan reach just shy of half way with NO WANE BALL

3 1/2 minutes gone, Wigan controlling the game, making no mistakes using NO WANE BALL

Kick reaches Saints 20 SET COMPLETED, NO ERRORS
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WIGAN 2nd Set - Exit set
1 - Hampshire field kick 1 out
2 - Budgie 1 out
PENALTY - Saints / Greenwood goes high
4:30 No WANE BALL NO MISTAKES NO WIGAN PENALTIES, SAINTS 1 MISTAKE, 1 PENALTY CONCEDED, WIGAN 6-0 UP!
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WIGAN 3rd Set - Halfway from Penalty Tap
1- Faz 1 out
BTW not a good call at that time / stage of the game but Dawson was sucked in and there was an actual break on if Faz passes giving a 2 v 1. No lateral shift / WANE BALL.
Context of game better to complete though.
2 - Clubb, 1 Pass From Williams
3 - Bateman 1 out running back at Saints middles, makes Amor make a 2nd successive tackle that is ineffective, Wigan win the floor/POTB
5 MINUTES WIGAN DOMINANT, NO WANEBALL, NO MISTAKES
4 - Tomkins, 2 Pass NO 2ND MAN / NO OVER PLAY
5 - Gelling 1 OUT, sensible went back in sets up last tackle play
6/Last - Saints 20 Smith has time / space LONG CROSSFIELD KICK
5.56 WIGAN PENALTY -- BONUS -- ? WRONG CALL (Remember peeps Bentham had a good game? )
6 MINUTES
NO WANE BALL NO MISTAKES NO WIGAN PENALTIES, SAINTS 2 MISTAKES or 1 + BENTHAM MISTAKE, 2 PENALTIES CONCEDED BY SAINTS, WIGAN 6-0 UP! WIGAN DOMINANT!!
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WIGAN 4th Set - Tap On Saints 20
1 - Mossop 1 out
2 - FIRST SIGN OF WANE BALL FIRST BIG MISTAKE, 2nd man instead of middle driving 1st, 2nd pass, 3rd pass player all lateral edging towards touchline. No Saints players drawn SUICIDE PASS BY GELLING TO MANFREDI handled into touch. Gelling far better to take the tackle. Wane Ball the wrong play and at the wrong time.
AT LEAST ON SAINTS LINE THOUGH - Waneball has least negative impact, most positive in dry condition on opp try line.

6:50 Wigan have no made a mistake until then and until Wane ball, no penalties conceded, sharing/edging possession and field position DOMINANT!
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Wigan 5th Set Rocky fielded Roby kick on our 20 7:41
1 - Rocky 1 OUT
2 - Manfredi 1 OUT offloads to Gelling WIGAN PENALTY -- BONUS -- ? WRONG CALL (Remember peeps Bentham had a good game? ) Gelling puts the ball down / plays it before getting to his feet. Greenwood still messing around. To me the penalty is justified BUT it shows how messy / how poor our officials are at the POTB Watch umpteen games and try to find a correct POTB.
BUT NO WANE BALL NO MISTAKES, MISTAKES BY OPPOSITION AND REFEREE IN OUR FAVOUR!
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Wigan 6th Set 8:20 Tap Penalty Just In Saints Half
1 - Tomkins 1 out
2 - Clubb 1 out
3 - Mossop 1 out On Saints 20, won the floor
4 - WANE BALL 3 shifts incl 2nd man plasses BUT
WIGAN HARD DONE BY - BENTHAM (REMEMBER GOOD GAME BENTHAM!) MISSES OBVIOUS PENALTY BY DAWSON HIGH ON SARGE.
5 - Smith Pass TO Bateman Offloads wildly Smith nops up loose ball BAD PLAY Bateman should have not offloaded not left Williams as the only free kicker. YARDS should have been the play to get close enough to the Saints line to force repeat set.
6 / LAST - Williams grubber made yards not fantastic BUT Saints on their try line!!
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SOME THOUGHTS - I thought Joel had a good game but he was not MOTM by a long way at this stage. I know sponsors MOTM are worthless etc. BUT somebody gave Joel a 10! and Faz a 10!

FOR ME the stand out thus far has been CLUBB and not too far behind Mossop followed by dogged defence from everybody with a bigger plaudit to Williams because you expect it from Mac, Bateman but this maligned (wrongly IMO / not as good as Green garbage; was Green as good as Williams at the same age?) kid stands tall and is the real deal. Likewise Rocky and Manfredi. Sarge is tough in defence too in this period.

Another thought - Bentham and his TJs are making a mistake every 2 / 3 minutes. If you make mistakes too those official mistakes HURT! So Wane / fans who think a mistake every 2 / 3 minutes is excellent, think again!

- No WANE BALL we are playing well, maybe wet weather suits us better than dry in that it stop us playing WANE BALL. If so I hope it flood up to and incl the GF!

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9.57 My thoughts AGAIN Fantastic set goes pear shaped when Mac tries too hard and the Saints prop bounces off his big hit to free Saints from their own try line.

Re The Roby v Mac. I love having Mac play for us but I cannot for the life of me think why some fans think Mac plays Roby off the park. Truth be told, the pair hardly ever meet h2h on the pitch not even at scrums any more. If Mac is part of Clubb and co getting on top of the Saints front rowers then he has done what is required and we should win but that has nothing to do with Roby. Roby was actually busier and better than Mac in this period ball in hand. He scooted, he kicked and BOTH players worked their backside off in defence.

I love having Mac in Cherry & White but Issac Luke is in a different League and is what Mac should have become / can become.

10:05-10:14 DEFENCE wins matches! Saints are breaking. Rocky does not sell himself, keeps defence side of Saints breaking players and slows them down enough for Manfredi to make a fantastic covering tackle. At this stage the question should be where does Josh play when fit because at the moment Manfredi is earning retention of the right wing spot! Likewise Rocky the FB spot! LMS bombs Saints best chance throwing the ball wayward to nobody on the Wigan 20 and Bateman dives on the ball!

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Wigan 7th set 10:56
1 - Moose 1 out
2 - Clubb 1 out
3 - 3 Direct Passes (No 2nd Man Wane Ball Nonsense) and Saints centre shoots out the line hopelessly leaving Gelling free to break downfield. Gelling decides to kick long despite having Smith on his inside. Right / wrong decision? 50/50 personally. Kick puts Saints in their 20 with possession.
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Saints 'under the cosh' kick early in the set.
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Wigan 8th Set 11.35 start set on half way
1 - Hampshire 1 out
2 - Budgie 2 Pass
3 - Sarge gets battered in a 2nd man play missing out the lead prop runner
4 - Bateman 1 out makes good yards up the guts tight to the POTB
5 - Mossop 1 out 12:24 1st Wigan mistake? Mossop loses the ball hitting it up.
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Wigan concede a penalty Mac goes high looking for a big hit 12:43 Are we losing control?
13:49 Saints in our half Williams pulls off a great textbook tackle
14:08 Saints force a repeat set. ? Do we do this enough with our kicking game?
15:00 Saints have pressure / field position for the first time but Greenwood goes down badly trying to burst through the tackle.

SO, 15 MINUTES little or no Wane Ball, we dominate field position / possession and are up on the scoreline. Poor officiating does not largely hurt us, in fact if you have good field position / possession you tend to benefit from it.

Generally the only time make mistakes is when we overplay / go lateral or Mac tried too hard and ends up high etc. Faz was clean this game.

That 15 minutes, Clubb = our MOM followed by Bateman. Under estimated by many the efforts of Williams and Manfredi.

Ignore WANE BALL and we are a decent team. The biggest minus without Wane Ball is the lack of a clinical approach to forcing repeat sets / keeping the pressure on. We had that under Madge. Now we do not. We do not build for a repeat set or an end play, still too obsessed by wide / lateral 2nd man nonsense.

The Mac v Roby debate is a complete red herring as is the Bentham had a good game stupidity.

At the risk of being accused as being pedantic, in the 13th minute the Saints winger was in front of the player taking the penalty kick to touch and therefore a scrum should have ensued.

[lucky 13]

While we keep hearing how Waneball is inferior to Maguireball I thought I would take a look back. I compared both coaches seasons, Maguires while he was here and Wanes first two. Maguire failed to win 17 times, Wane 18. Maguire did manage a couple more draws. One of Maguires defeats was a world club game, he also failed to make the semi of the chalenge cup first year.
Wanes first season fell short, I think he played must win in all games and you can't do that, he did seem to learn the year after doing the double. His win loss could have been better, he seemingly held back losing a few games once a top four was secured in the double year, the same way that Leeds had done previous to win GF's. I did think Maguires second season was a let down, he had the best side of those four years in my oppinion a unconvincing Chalenge cup win was welcome but I remember feeling we failed that year. So pretty much the same, two seasons two trophys each and a couple of hubcaps.
Maguire managed a few more points with more fire power (oppinion) although other top teams had better quality as well.
Personally I think both have done well although I really do think both could have done more. Maguire should have done the double with the team he had second season and Wane should have won one in his first year. We should look back with a lot of gratitude .... Maguire was such a find for us it was like magic what he did. If he had stayed, I do believe he may have done the double in the season he left, that turned out to be Wanes first season we won nothing the fact is he went home which was very disappointing . Many other teams turned to untried Australians, they seemed to follow looking for the magic non with the same success.

[jobo]

Pouring down, a quagmire of a pitch, up against a huge pack and we decide to keep things tight. No risky passes, no silly penalties and steam into them when we are defending.
Perfect tactics adopted by Waney and executed excellently by our team.
The man is a RL genius.

[i'm spartacus]

N.B I think about the game / I analyse what I watch; I did that when I played sport. Some gobshites can watch every game ever played and see nothing to the point they would be better off blind. Unable to comprehend / analyse they are incapable of debate or looking at things objectively so when somebody looks at the good and bad of their team they are lost and harrang the poster because debate is too difficult for those people.

Your problem is that you can't see how patronising you are!

You analyse the game, but your major problem is that on your analyses you believe thsre are no other answers, and no further conclusions to be drawn. This is because you believe nobody in the entire world has your almost supernatural capabilities to understand the game like you, and you have the absolute monopoly on being correct. Consequently, anyone who disagrees or comes to A different conclusion from you are;

Gobshites
Blind
Unable to comprehend/ analyse
Unable to debate
Unable to look at things objectively.

I and most people would see the irony in implying that you are capable of debating your opinion whilst saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a gobshite because the don't see what you see. You need to accept the notion that other people with alternative opinions may have valid points, and stop defending your sanctimonious statements by claiming anyone who disagrees with you doesn't understand.

It's an often quoted mantra that you will be familiar with but you seem to have totally forgotten. Nobody likes a know it all

[JUKESAYS]

I asked about the second 20 minutes, so I'd like to see the analysis of that that is forthcoming.

After detail, can you break it down into proportion of Waneball plays and proportion of correct plays for a summary?

I can do that for you.
Every play that we don't make a mistake is CPBall every play we make a mistake is Waneball.

[mike binder]

Same old same old

[BriH]

N.B I think about the game / I analyse what I watch; I did that when I played sport. Some gobshites can watch every game ever played and see nothing to the point they would be better off blind. Unable to comprehend / analyse they are incapable of debate or looking at things objectively so when somebody looks at the good and bad of their team they are lost and harrang the poster because debate is too difficult for those people.

Why the rant CP? We are all not as analytical as you appear to be

[morley pie eater]

FWIW I thought our kickng game was much better than of late and played it's part in the victory. Haven't had chance to do a full analysis yet, so may be wrong ,' >]

[jao711]

Reminds me of Hitler.