McIlorum's Interchange.

[nathan_rugby]

Of course you are right in one respect.

However, the drift to a "ubiqutious" size and shape of an RL player is quite interesting. (or more accurately 2 or 3 at most).

It's not beyond the realms of possibility for the same player to play

Full Back
Winger
Centre
Second Row
Loose Forward


Or another to play

Stand Off
Scrum Half
Hooker


Which really leaves the Props, and again no-one would bat an eyelid at a second row or loose forward filling in.

It depends to what level you expect them to play? Yes we see many Fullbacks/Wingers, Fullbacks/Stand-offs, Second Row/Centre...

However, one of the hot topics on this forum is one half suggesting we stick to known and best positions and the others stating everyone needs swapping around. If we listened to half of the people on this forum our team would look something like.

1 - Sarginson
3 - Charnley
4 - Tomkins
8 - Lockers
9 - Bateman

Iv read Sam Tomkins to centre, Hampshire to Hooker, Flower to loose forward. So many people are hell bent on swapping the whole team around based on a couple of attributes they see or that 20 minutes that Bateman played well at left centre.

Yeah it may work during a match to cover injuries or for the odd game, but you are never going to win the league with so much change generally.

its about playing the best squad and players being used to there best that's it! so if a player shows brilliance in a position because he covered an injury in a match we should just put him back to where he was next week without looking into it - so if you play at 13 as a winger that's it your a winger seems a bit stupid to me - ST would have never been switched to fullback had it not been for injury's but he should have just been moved straight back to the halves?

the best squad we have with current players in my eyes is

1.Sarge
2.Dom
3.Gells
4.Ian T or give Josh a go at 3 or 4
5.Budgy
6.powell or rocky
7.Smith
8.Mossop
9.MM
10.Club
11.Faz
12.Joal
13.Bateman

bench
George - back cover
lockers - prop
Tautia - second row or prop cover
Larne - battering ram

beat anyone these lot would

Sarginson played a few good games at Fullback, that doesn't warrant a starting spot ahead of Bowen or Hampshire, especially considering the amount of changes that could potentially follow.

Give Charnley a go at centre based on what? His poor form the back end of last year and this year in his own position, so try him at a position he played for 5 games at HKR about 4 years ago?

Ian T - How many times has he played in the past two years? He is surely 3rd/4th in line at centre until he proves his fitness and game quality again.

Powell or Hampshire at 6 - Over George who has played there really well all year compared to Hampshire who hasn't been able to prove it and Powell who doesn't really offer much at all.

Lockers at prop - Based on what?

You are literally living in a dream world, this isn't a fantasy team were you switch and move players around or Fifa.

[bomhead]

It depends to what level you expect them to play? Yes we see many Fullbacks/Wingers, Fullbacks/Stand-offs, Second Row/Centre...

However, one of the hot topics on this forum is one half suggesting we stick to known and best positions and the others stating everyone needs swapping around. If we listened to half of the people on this forum our team would look something like.

1 - Sarginson
3 - Charnley
4 - Tomkins
8 - Lockers
9 - Bateman

Iv read Sam Tomkins to centre, Hampshire to Hooker, Flower to loose forward. So many people are hell bent on swapping the whole team around based on a couple of attributes they see or that 20 minutes that Bateman played well at left centre.

Yeah it may work during a match to cover injuries or for the odd game, but you are never going to win the league with so much change generally.

its about playing the best squad and players being used to there best that's it! so if a player shows brilliance in a position because he covered an injury in a match we should just put him back to where he was next week without looking into it - so if you play at 13 as a winger that's it your a winger seems a bit stupid to me - ST would have never been switched to fullback had it not been for injury's but he should have just been moved straight back to the halves?

the best squad we have with current players in my eyes is

1.Sarge
2.Dom
3.Gells
4.Ian T or give Josh a go at 3 or 4
5.Budgy
6.powell or rocky
7.Smith
8.Mossop
9.MM
10.Club
11.Faz
12.Joal
13.Bateman

bench
George - back cover
lockers - prop
Tautia - second row or prop cover
Larne - battering ram

beat anyone these lot would

Sarginson played a few good games at Fullback, that doesn't warrant a starting spot ahead of Bowen or Hampshire, especially considering the amount of changes that could potentially follow.

Give Charnley a go at centre based on what? His poor form the back end of last year and this year in his own position, so try him at a position he played for 5 games at HKR about 4 years ago?

Ian T - How many times has he played in the past two years? He is surely 3rd/4th in line at centre until he proves his fitness and game quality again.

Powell or Hampshire at 6 - Over George who has played there really well all year compared to Hampshire who hasn't been able to prove it and Powell who doesn't really offer much at all.

Lockers at prop - Based on what?

You are literally living in a dream world, this isn't a fantasy team were you switch and move players around or Fifa.

well lets hear your team?

if you would put mango or Hampshire at fullback over Sarge your the dreamer my friend - they aren't FBs ones to old and the other is a 6 that's it!

lockers body is gone he has no pace but can tackle hard, run hard offload in the tackle and play big mins when he is fit - this is known as a prop!

Charnley - is to big for a winger and is in poor form true, he was a centre to begin with and why not give him a go at centre - Joals not a centre and his form is poor but he's in every week as is Sarge!

Powell plays well at 6 and Hampshire is untested at 6 because no one will give him a shot - George however is a dummy half and plays his best rugby from broken play at the ruck.

Thornley is a centre so if we are playing by position Joal should be out and Thornley should be in as he is a centre!

I think I would sooner dream than be very narrow minded - you must have hated Madge when he moved hock to prop and Mossop to prop and Tomkins to fullback bet you lost your mind - can you only tell players by their shirt numbers?

[nathan_rugby]

its about playing the best squad and players being used to there best that's it! so if a player shows brilliance in a position because he covered an injury in a match we should just put him back to where he was next week without looking into it - so if you play at 13 as a winger that's it your a winger seems a bit stupid to me - ST would have never been switched to fullback had it not been for injury's but he should have just been moved straight back to the halves?

the best squad we have with current players in my eyes is

1.Sarge
2.Dom
3.Gells
4.Ian T or give Josh a go at 3 or 4
5.Budgy
6.powell or rocky
7.Smith
8.Mossop
9.MM
10.Club
11.Faz
12.Joal
13.Bateman

bench
George - back cover
lockers - prop
Tautia - second row or prop cover
Larne - battering ram

beat anyone these lot would

Sarginson played a few good games at Fullback, that doesn't warrant a starting spot ahead of Bowen or Hampshire, especially considering the amount of changes that could potentially follow.

Give Charnley a go at centre based on what? His poor form the back end of last year and this year in his own position, so try him at a position he played for 5 games at HKR about 4 years ago?

Ian T - How many times has he played in the past two years? He is surely 3rd/4th in line at centre until he proves his fitness and game quality again.

Powell or Hampshire at 6 - Over George who has played there really well all year compared to Hampshire who hasn't been able to prove it and Powell who doesn't really offer much at all.

Lockers at prop - Based on what?

You are literally living in a dream world, this isn't a fantasy team were you switch and move players around or Fifa.

well lets hear your team?

if you would put mango or Hampshire at fullback over Sarge your the dreamer my friend - they aren't FBs ones to old and the other is a 6 that's it!

lockers body is gone he has no pace but can tackle hard, run hard offload in the tackle and play big mins when he is fit - this is known as a prop!

Charnley - is to big for a winger and is in poor form true, he was a centre to begin with and why not give him a go at centre - Joals not a centre and his form is poor but he's in every week as is Sarge!

Powell plays well at 6 and Hampshire is untested at 6 because no one will give him a shot - George however is a dummy half and plays his best rugby from broken play at the ruck.

Thornley is a centre so if we are playing by position Joal should be out and Thornley should be in as he is a centre!

I think I would sooner dream than be very narrow minded - you must have hated Madge when he moved hock to prop and Mossop to prop and Tomkins to fullback bet you lost your mind - can you only tell players by their shirt numbers?

The point I am making is that over the course of the season it would be much bett to play playes in their tried and tested positions rather than swapping and changing based on preferences or because of that one time X player played well in a different position.

Moving Sarginson to Fullback leaves us with no fit centres.

[Warrior20]

the best squad we have with current players in my eyes is

1.Sarge
2.Dom
3.Gells
4.Ian T or give Josh a go at 3 or 4
5.Budgy
6.powell or rocky
7.Smith
8.Mossop
9.MM
10.Club
11.Faz
12.Joal
13.Bateman

bench
George - back cover
lockers - prop
Tautia - second row or prop cover
Larne - battering ram

beat anyone these lot would

That is a very weak and mismatched bench. Why on earth would you play Lockers at prop over Crosby or Flower.
You state that is Wigan's best squad yet you have left Williams out the starting 13 who has been playing brilliantly, left Crosby and Flower out of the 17 who are both playing better than Tautia and Mossop.

[Panchitta Marra]

How many times has anybody seen Bateman playing hooker?

Case dismissed, absolutely ludacris idea. You cannot just pick and chose players into positions, nevermind a specialist one such as hooker by selecting a couple of his attributes and saying how he will be good there.

Beginning to think that some people on this forum really do not understand Rugby which probably comes down to the fact of only ever watching it rathe rather than playing it.

This comes across as rather patronising TBH.I've never played but do enjoy watching so fall into the "do not understand category".

ill give you some help meds - Bateman is to tall for a hooker he will struggle to get down and give fast distribution. that's why 6 & 7 make goods hookers as they can give good ball and are fast but aren't very good at pack type tackle counts but I think George is good at mixing it in the middle unlike Powell. Bateman should be 13 or big ben should be 13.

LOCKERS TO PROP

Is height relevant here Bomhead?
Bateman is 6'2, whereas Cameron Smith, who is rated as arguably the world's best hooker is 6'1".
I'm not so sure as to Bateman passing game for a hooking role.

[bomhead]

the best squad we have with current players in my eyes is

1.Sarge
2.Dom
3.Gells
4.Ian T or give Josh a go at 3 or 4
5.Budgy
6.powell or rocky
7.Smith
8.Mossop
9.MM
10.Club
11.Faz
12.Joal
13.Bateman

bench
George - back cover
lockers - prop
Tautia - second row or prop cover
Larne - battering ram

beat anyone these lot would

That is a very weak and mismatched bench. Why on earth would you play Lockers at prop over Crosby or Flower.
You state that is Wigan's best squad yet you have left Williams out the starting 13 who has been playing brilliantly, left Crosby and Flower out of the 17 who are both playing better than Tautia and Mossop.

who would you have on the bench to replace MM then if not George. ben or dom are both cracking props as is mossop tautia plays second row but I suppose you could use either of those 3. lockers has one thing all those 3 do not have though presence and brains he could offload like graham does and he can kick if needs also he is captain and leads the team.

I understand what you are saying Nathan but we need to test things now before we get down to the real business end of things. when Thornley is back Sarge should be moved back to 1 or given a lay off spell.

[Wintergreen]

This thread wins for nested quotes!

[Smokie Jim]

How many times has anybody seen Bateman playing hooker?

Case dismissed, absolutely ludacris idea. You cannot just pick and chose players into positions, nevermind a specialist one such as hooker by selecting a couple of his attributes and saying how he will be good there.

Beginning to think that some people on this forum really do not understand Rugby which probably comes down to the fact of only ever watching it rathe rather than playing it.

Nathan. Do you still believe in Santa? There has't been Hpokers in RL for some years now. Suprised you as a guy who's played the game hasn't noticed or was it Union you played and didn't (or couldn't put 2 and2 together). The term Hooker is now an anachronism Ask yourself when you last saw a ball hooked from a scrum. You might learn something. ????

You are correct in pointing out the obvious ie I contributed nothing to the debate but in fairness there is not much you can contribute when one of your posts declares ' case dismissed' However my post did have a point. Notwithstanding that classify me with Fugiman and I'll classify you the as he did ie patronising

You are of course correct

[The booze hound]

My dad was a 'proper' forward hooker when he played in the thirties & forties, that was his position. Then he was a six foot, seventeen/ eighteen stone bloke.

Tinkerbell is giving her age away.

Only joking Josie, I love your dedication.

[Smokie Jim]

Josie A personal question which you may not wish to comment. You say your father was a proper Hooker. Are you Joe Egans daughter? I ask because your name Josie is the femine gender of Joe and he lived I believe in St. Andrews Drive which links with your forum name. On the other hand you live close to Kitt(Stuart ) who lives Pemberton way and another Proper Hooker,Ken Gee lived at theRailway Hotel. And the Pack Horse Pemberton so was Ken your Dad. ????