Who cares? Those three clubs have reduced the competiton to a farce with their ringers.OJ posted:
with the short term signings at Warrington, Hull and Bradford it is going to be very interesting to see who comes out on top. Have to say I think my money will be on Bradford.
DaveO posted:To me it ashows that against the best side in the leage who played with 12 men on the field and only 1 sub for half the game, we still couldnt get a result, they played a very profesional game in the second half, nothing fancy just good solid rugby.ChrisA posted:
I can't see how it tells us much all about where we are. The ref set the course of the game and far too many players missing to make this one a representative game for the team. It is like saying because we beat Leeds we will win SL. I don't think we can draw any conclusions about the young players either who have come in except that have some guts for giving it a go. They are simply not of SL standard at the moment (bar about two maybe) and we don't know if they will bulk up and kick on to be so.We have had 4 goods wins, but tonight showed were we are at realisticaly, we have imoroved alot over the last few months, but not enough to challenge the big boys. It all stands us in good stead for next year though, the young guys will bulk up and be a year wiser in their development, plus the new guys and players returning from injury, thats the scant consolation I'm taking now from what is left of this year.
Dave
I agree about the young guys, only Hargreaves has really impressed me, Hansens defence is solid, he always goes low like Cassidy used to do, somthing most of our forwards have trouble doing. hence the pathetic attempt by Wild when fasavwatev crashed over, he was the 1st man in the tackle and should have gone low and stopped him there, as Wild did against Talau when Gardner scored, he was at fault for 2 tries through his poor tackling technique. Tomkins doesnt look anywhere near upto the job, neither do Bewswick or Allen, Jewitt looked like a big guy for 17 years old, and he looked like he could live up to his reputation as a guy who doesnt take any crap, I know his dad and brothers played exactly the same.
But who is "we"? It can only be representative if the side that played resembled the side we ought to have been able to put out there.ChrisA posted:
To me it ashows that against the best side in the leage who played with 12 men on the field and only 1 sub for half the game, we still couldnt get a result,
You read my mind. Those are the two young players I think have cut the mustard so far. Of the two Hargreaves definately has a future. The question mark over Hansen is if he will he bulk up or not? If he does he will be great. If not, he might make a squad player.I agree about the young guys, only Hargreaves has really impressed me, Hansens defence is solid, he always goes low like Cassidy used to do,
It is almost impossible to tell anything about these guys. I thought Tomkins did OK tonight but most of the young players have been rotated by Millward (and rightly so) so if anyone says so-and-so is going to be a top player based on the handful of games (if that) they have played I will give up.Tomkins doesnt look anywhere near upto the job, neither do Bewswick or Allen, Jewitt looked like a big guy for 17 years old, and he looked like he could live up to his reputation as a guy who doesnt take any crap, I know his dad and brothers played exactly the same.
well said, as for the broken cheek bones alberts was a pure accident while longs[who i have no love for] was sickening and terry should be ashamed of himselfDaveO posted:Who cares? Those three clubs have reduced the competiton to a farce with their ringers.OJ posted:
with the short term signings at Warrington, Hull and Bradford it is going to be very interesting to see who comes out on top. Have to say I think my money will be on Bradford.
Dave
We looked very tired and lacking in ideas at times. Orr and Moran were hopeless after their great efforts the week before, and defensively we were probably the worst we have been since before Milly took over. Every tackle on a Saints player earned them an extra 5-10 yards as we just couldn't stop anyone dead even with 3 or 4 players in the tackle. I'm not sure why we kept kicking on the 4th tackle either, we didn't seem to be gaining anything at all from that tactic.ChrisA posted:
We conceeded 2 tries down to forward passes, but overall we were pretty poor in every department, especially our disciplne and ball control, we scored 2 good tries, but apart from that Saints were always in control.
Newton's reverted back to his Leeds days when he was one of several dirty players in their pack with Farrell, Fleary and Morley. He can't even say his passing was good last night as some of it was abysmal. Fozzard was very well behaved for him, I didn't see the padded forearm being used once. If Newton is going, then on last night's evidence he's on loss to us.Newton really needs to sort his head out, to many times he has done what he did tonight and he has never learned, hes taken 2 guys out tonight who could now miss the rest of the season, if thats how he is and cant change then maybe he should seek employment elsewhere.
If it was the other way round and Fozzard had done what he did, we would be up in arms, you cant defend what he did and anyone who does needs to take the cherry and white goggles off.
We need to get some bigger players back for next year. Bob, for example, is just not big enough or good enough, ditto Brown, Aspinwall and Allen. I got to see the replay on Sky and saw even less of DV than on the pitch, he might as well not have been there except to contribute to a couple of good attacks. And what happened to Carney's big game that he promised us for his last home match? One failed intercept and a couple of runs that gained a couple of meters at best. It'll be all-change next season, and I doubt if many of the players that are going at the end of the season will be remembered by us for long.We have had 4 goods wins, but tonight showed were we are at realisticaly, we have imoroved alot over the last few months, but not enough to challenge the big boys. It all stands us in good stead for next year though, the young guys will bulk up and be a year wiser in their development, plus the new guys and players returning from injury, thats the scant consolation I'm taking now from what is left of this year.
Well I may not care as such but I am certainly interested. I totally agree with you that they have turned the comp into a farce and I sure as hell think the RFL should do something about it sooner rather than later but I am still interested to see what happens and I bet you watched Andrew Johns playing for Warrington tonight.DaveO posted:Who cares? Those three clubs have reduced the competiton to a farce with their ringers.OJ posted:
with the short term signings at Warrington, Hull and Bradford it is going to be very interesting to see who comes out on top. Have to say I think my money will be on Bradford.
Dave
It was embarassing to watch. Johns this Johns that if I was a Wire fan or even player I'd be extremely ****** off right now. The rest of the team have done all the hard work to get into the top 6 and now they're talking as if Johns will be the one to win them the trophy. Sorry, but they haven't been a one man team all year why would they suddenly become it now? Am very anti Johns.robjoenz posted:
Haha OJ. It was cringeworthy wasn't it, and when they asked Dave Hadfield who they're looking for as MOTM they might as well have given the watch straight to Johns as he converted Fa'afilis try.
