Brexit UK vote to leave Europe in historic referendum

[Wandering Warrior]

Don't pester you? You come out with more BS than you'll find in a farmyard to suit your own little small minded agendas and you get upset when somebody questions your source?
As if you'd be privy to "top secret" info not for public consumption!!

[Owd Codger]

Don't pester you? You come out with more BS than you'll find in a farmyard to suit your own little small minded agendas and you get upset when somebody questions your source?
As if you'd be privy to "top secret" info not for public consumption!!

Like I said, a dog with a bone!

[Wandering Warrior]

Your bull**** runneth over Whelley. Your credibility in anything you post is always open to doubt when you fail to substantiate anything with fact.
I may be a dog with a bone but the point has been proved!
BTW, the crime comment you made that wasn't for the public domain is now out in the public!! Perhaps as well it was a figment of your imagination.

[i'm spartacus]

The immigration debate isn't and never has been about skilled people coming to work in the UK.
It is about the millions of unskilled people who come here with very vast numbers of them never ever working but have a life on benefits.
This has gone on for decades and nothing to do with East Europeans which is a recent issue.
It is about those from Africa, Asia, Americas and the Orient who have come here without any skills whatsoever.

80% of immigrants from the EU work.
Non EU nationals have 20% of them working.
It is plain where the immigration problem is and it's mosr certainly not with the EU immigrants.
The 4/5 year benefit period must apply to Non EU migrants as they are the problem not EU Nationals.

The current rules are that immigrants from countries outside the EU are not entitled to any benefits at all, with very few exceptions. People who have been granted humanitarian protection can have access to public funds. None EU migrants who come here to work in a job they already have, cannot claim in work benefits like working tax credit and housing benefit (or universal credit, dependent on where you reside). They cannot claim child tax credit or child benefit. Even those none EU migrants that have worked here for some considerable time, have to jump through hoops to get anything once they become unemployed as they have no right to support from public funds.

EU migrants are entitled to in work benefits from day one if they have a job. This means that minimum wage EU migrant workers can claim housing benefit from day one. They can claim working tax credit, and those that have children can claim child tax credit and child benefit, even if their children are still resident in the country of origin.

This I posted pre referendum on the 2nd July on another thread

Not all EU migrants are low skilled, but the vast majority are employed in minimum wage employment, which is in the main, a vast improvement on the wages available for comparable jobs in their own countries. Nobody can blame anyone for trying to better their lot, but the issue with low paid work is that it tends to attract ‘in work’ benefits, and there are no official statistics on tax credits or housing benefit claims by migrants even though the sums involved are often considerably larger than those for out of work benefits.


Let me give you two recent examples of issues that have come across because of potentially challengeable decisions which I’m not going to spell out here.

Single EU national living and working part time in the UK, four children and another elderly relative in the household in receipt of a pension from the country of origin. The part time work is at minimum wage, and the part time nature means that there is insufficient income to pay any tax or NI contributions. The benefits received per annum by that household which are not recorded on any official figures are as follows;

Tax Credits = £15,643.90
Council tax reduction = £790.53
Housing Benefit = £6,655.03
Child Benefit = £3,213.60
Total = £26,303.06

In another example. An EU national living and working full time in the UK with parental responsibility for two children still living in the country of origin. Full time employment on minimum wage means that £407.68 per annum is collected for tax and NI contributions.

Tax Credits = £7,366.79
Child Benefit = £1,788.80
Total = £9,155.59

So, for collecting a sum total of £407.68 in tax and NI, we paid out a sum total of £35,458.65. Of course, we would have to pay exactly the same benefits to a UK national in similar circumstances, but we have lots of unemployed low skilled folk, and we do not need to import other low skilled workers.

You have 3 low skilled unemployed workers, and three jobs. You import three workers from Poland to do the three jobs, you now have 6 low skilled workers, but still only three jobs.

[Wiganer Ted]

See that in a speech today May has said she wants the UK to be the World leaders in Free Trade.
That is at the same time as she takes us out of the biggest Free Trade Area in the World.
Utterly clueless!

[cpwigan]

May is deeply worrying. I thought she was clever saying almost nothing pre referendum but now IMO she said nothing because she has nothing to offer and it seems so on any/every issue. The conservative are so lucky Labour are in a shambolic state.

[medlocke]

See that in a speech today May has said she wants the UK to be the World leaders in Free Trade.
That is at the same time as she takes us out of the biggest Free Trade Area in the World.
Utterly clueless!

Nowhere near as clueless as you, now be quiet and return to 1973

[Wiganer Ted]

Come on Meds you can do better than that.
So where's all this "Free Trade" coming from?
She's about to cancel Free Trade deals with 81 countries.
May needs to tell us which countries she's getting these new deals from and what we have to give up and do to negotiate a deal.

[medlocke]

Come on Meds you can do better than that.
So where's all this "Free Trade" coming from?
She's about to cancel Free Trade deals with 81 countries.
May needs to tell us which countries she's getting these new deals from and what we have to give up and do to negotiate a deal.

Maybe you could name the 81 countries first

[fozzieskem]

May is deeply worrying. I thought she was clever saying almost nothing pre referendum but now IMO she said nothing because she has nothing to offer and it seems so on any/every issue. The conservative are so lucky Labour are in a shambolic state.

She is simply pathetic frankly,if the jester Corbyn does win he's got to hit her so hard with good sensible question times for a start,no more this "Frank from Amersham" nonsense he has to get this utter lightweight on the ropes and quickly.

But she's pathetic and he's the jester...