General election

[fozzieskem]

Cheer up Fozz it's not the end of the world

And you see I think you're assuming I would voting for Labour perhaps?

This is a very untalented government don't try and kid yourself otherwise,true political giants such as Thatcher (forget the policies) knew her own mind this shower barely know what day it is.

They need a strong opposition but in the last 7 ears they've got away with murder because Labour simply won't object to anything,so yes it is the end if the world SJ,all governments need to be held to account.

[The booze hound]

I'll be voting Labour, I'll be voting for my current MP and the party.
You are obviously a big Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt fan?!

Jeremy Hunt is a Jeremy Hunt.

[Wandering Warrior]

I wonder if he has a brother Mike?

[Wintergreen]

Here's another fine example of Toryism for you and why you would be mad to vote Tory.

You may have heard of the government policy of offering a “free” 30 hours pre-school child care. Up from the current 15 hours all parents are entitled to?

In fact if you live in Wigan and have young children you may have already been offered it as Wigan was a pilot area. It’s due in Chester where I live until June any my wife who works in a nursery school is busy organising it which is how I found out about this latest Tory scam.

Scam? What can possibly be wrong with 30 hours free child care?

Well it sounds great except of course for some people it’s not free.

Now it not being free for some might appeal to our Tory supports on here. Reduce government expenditure, expect a contribution from those in receipt of this offer. What is not to like?

That boils down to the question of who is it not free for? Why the poor of course! We do have a Tory government remember? Who else pays under them except the poor?

If you are in receipt of tax credits the government will reduce your tax credit payments if you take up the extra 15 hours to make up the full 30. It is why you have to give your national insurance number when you register for the scheme. So they can work out if you are poor enough to pay!

If you are not poor enough to receive tax credits you get your extra 15 hours at no cost to you whatsoever. No increase in your taxes, nothing. Totally free.

There is Tory logic for you.

There is DaveO logic for you.

The element of the working tax credit that is based on CHILDCARE is reduced.

Clearly you cannot have free childcare then claim money to pay for a proportion of it.


I sometimes with the country was split into two halves. Half run by Labour and populated by Labour voters, and the other half by Tories with Tory voters.

Within 10 years the Socialist half would resemble Romania.

[Wintergreen]

That's all very interesting DaveO but will you still be voting Labour given you are voting for Diane Abbot to be your next Home Secretary?

A simple Yes/No will suffice.

Of course I am voting Labour. Will you be voting Tory PM who once said "The illegal immigrant who cannot be deported because – and I am not making this up – he had a pet cat."?

You know when she was making it up?

Another cracker from your choice of Home Secretary. From that strong supporter of Toryism - the Mirror.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/s ... t-10363017


You might not like May, but at least she's competent.

[i'm spartacus]

People cite the amount of borrowing as though the amount is the only thing that matters; the fact is that it isn't. There are two factors to consider in respect of any debt, and the second factor is the ability to service it. The borrowing covers the gap between what the government receives in taxation, what it has to spend on the day to day running of the country, and what it has to pay in interest payments on the debt. Austerity aims reduce the gap between what you have, and what you spend. If you can get to a point where you have more income than expenditure, you start clearing the debt rather than just paying the interest.

No shit Sherlock! If I earn more than I pay I can pay off my debts. Who'd have thought it! Absolutely no marks for stating the bleeding obvious.
So how come despite Austerity the national debt has risen under the Tories to be 83.7% of total GDP at the end of 2016 (from 56.8% in 2009 right after the crash and the massive bailouts for the banks)???
Reasons the Tory government has had to borrow more include increased spending on social security benefits, significant drops in receipts from stamp duty, corporation tax and income tax.

Good grief - quote 1 explains quote 2. I know it’s difficult for you to grasp, but it is so bleeding obvious you missed it ……. Sherlock

Gordon Brown as chancellor inherited what was widely accepted to be a golden legacy from the Major administration; an economy that was actually in balance.

Blair's first government ran a surplus for four years from 1998 to 2001.

And again, quote 1 one explains quote 2

When it did start to increase spending post-2002 it increased spending on health and education by a huge amount and due to years of Tory neglect that was money well spent.( the NHS crisis of 1996/7 was big factor which cost Major the election)

Yes, they spent money they didn't have and increased the public sector to a size that was unsustainable – ie You get the state to employ everybody, and claim that you have full employment

Again, the facts ruin your argument. UK productivity was the worst since records began at the end of 2016. For the first half of the 2000's under Labour it steadily increased to be just 4 points below that of the G7. Since 2010 under the Tories it has made a rapid decline.

Really?
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united- ... oductivity

What you aren't mentioning is that as a % of GDP the tax take has crashed since 2010 under the Tories.

Really again?
Revenues crashed during the banking crisis, but tax revenue increased to 24.344 % of GDP in the last year of a Labour government - and now they are 25.351

We have more people in work but they are less productive, collect less tax as a % of GDP than under Labour and the government debt has increased under the Tories.

Yes the debt has increased but the deficit is down as already highlighted above.

With high employment the government should be swimming it tax revenues far more than it is, not increasing the national debt.

It is reducing the deficit. It’s a debt-ability to pay thing Sherlock

It isn't because we have a situation despite the economy being larger (GDP), despite more people are working we are earning less because they aren't overall as productive. So we can't afford to pay ourselves high wages and so the tax take as a % of GDP goes down.

But tax as a percentage of GDP is up, not down.
Your position, and the position of your party is to invest in public service, which is a euphemism for expanding the state. People who work for the state are by default, non-productive workers. Expand the state without having the deficit in balance, and the gap between income and expenditure becomes larger. Your credit suffers as you struggle to make the increasing interest payments on your debt

And now you are reduced to making it up. I oppose Austerity because not only is it economically inept but the people who pay for it are the poor and the disabled.

Sorry but you are just a right wing apologist cherry picking figures and taking them out of context. Must try harder.

Sorry, but you are just a left-wing apologist getting all your figures and economics wrong. Just like your party always does in the end.

[Caboosegg]

That's all very interesting DaveO but will you still be voting Labour given you are voting for Diane Abbot to be your next Home Secretary?

A simple Yes/No will suffice.

Of course I am voting Labour. Will you be voting Tory PM who once said "The illegal immigrant who cannot be deported because – and I am not making this up – he had a pet cat."?

You know when she was making it up?

Another cracker from your choice of Home Secretary. From that strong supporter of Toryism - the Mirror.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/s ... t-10363017


You might not like May, but at least she's competent.

compitent? how would you know shes refusing to be involved in anything not staged.

shes not even been in a year and lied and backtracked more times that Cameron over his entire term.

repeated use of strong and stable is to try and brainwash/ear worm into people minds so they don't actually look past the person to her party's policy or record..

we shall have no early election.... wait some of my party disagree with my brexit approach and we are being investigated for election fraud.

LOOK EVERYONE ELECTION ignore all that other stuff, this is all that matters.

I'm not a Corybn fan but May has only become electable because the tory party and media have played a smear campaign against corybn.

Policies are out soon and you can almost guarantee most people wont actually read them.

we have a choice between a party and its leader, that since taking over everything it has done has been for personal gain (including a early election)

or a party and leader that no matter your opinion on the person, has stuck to its morals and hasn't bent to pressure.

so as brexit is apparently the main issue (not what happens after.

a party that will sell us out to keep themselves and friends happy ( if you don't believe they are out for themselves the selling of NHS contracts to private companies that have tory MPs on the board comes to mind)

or a party that would work tirelessly to achieve what it set out to do.

[Wandering Warrior]

Think you've nailed it there!
I'm not a big fan of Corbyn but she's quite happy to give him grief in the comfort of Parliament but won't do a tv debate with him. Why not if he's such a halfwit as she makes out?
She's as transparent as glass and the two bob Tories beg to swallow her bare hook!

[fozzieskem]

I thought Call me Dave was plastic but May is utterly hopeless a clue if you will of how poor politics is at the moment.

[Wandering Warrior]

Heard the Tories this weekend referred to as Kim Jong May and the Maybots. It would be amusing but it's normal folks lives they're after urinating all over!