means that if you want to waste time you could run with the ball and throw it at an oppositions hand to force a scrumCaboosegg wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:03 amAnd theres a issue that rule basically spoilt a brilliant play, its moments like that that make the game interesting, but that rule basically means that TL should have just left the ball on the floor and thrown his hands up to claim a knock on instead of taking advantage of his hard work.
Try vs a scrum i kow which one i prefered to watch.
Kris Radlinski calls for changes after controversial 'no try' for Wigan Warriors
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All very well blaming the ref in this matter,Hicks was following the rules as they are today,like it or not he interpreted them correctly,so all the foaming I’d the mouth by the goons on tv was for naught he was right to chalk the try off.
Now that the rules is bonkers when a tackle like that IS the issue but Hicks simply isn’t to blame
Now that the rules is bonkers when a tackle like that IS the issue but Hicks simply isn’t to blame
Re: Kris Radlinski calls for changes after controversial 'no try' for Wigan Warriors
pedro wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:10 ammeans that if you want to waste time you could run with the ball and throw it at an oppositions hand to force a scrumCaboosegg wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:03 amAnd theres a issue that rule basically spoilt a brilliant play, its moments like that that make the game interesting, but that rule basically means that TL should have just left the ball on the floor and thrown his hands up to claim a knock on instead of taking advantage of his hard work.
Try vs a scrum i kow which one i prefered to watch.
Slight problem with that pedro, in most cases be a pen against him if he's thrown it forward into the opponent - be classed as an "intentional" forward pass which is a penalty against. But obviously rarely seen
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But if you follow the rules to the letter isnt a drop kick a knock on?
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good point WF. The rule I referred to say if the ball is k. o'd accidentally and is kicked before the ball touches the ground or post or bar then it's play on. So if the ball is dropped intentionally and kicked then what you say appears to be the case. Like I said the issue is in need of clarificationWigan_forever1985 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:59 am But if you follow the rules to the letter isnt a drop kick a knock on?
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I think youre right and there are a lot of grey areas around the rules, especially when it involves "intention" as thats a very difficult thing to prove sometimesSJ wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 12:37 pmgood point WF. The rule I referred to say if the ball is k. o'd accidentally and is kicked before the ball touches the ground or post or bar then it's play on. So if the ball is dropped intentionally and kicked then what you say appears to be the case. Like I said the issue is in need of clarificationWigan_forever1985 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:59 am But if you follow the rules to the letter isnt a drop kick a knock on?
theres one thats bothered me for a while, we all know the chip kick can be pretty effective but it takes timely and a lot of skill to get just right. however while ive never seen it done intentionally i cant think of anything in the rules that would stop you simply throwing the ball over the defensive line and regathering yourself.
I suppose there is a risk if you dont make the catch or it hits an opposition player its a knock on but you could control it a lot better than a chip kick and also do it closer to the line with less warning.
I only raise this as i have seen this done before as part of trying to regather a stray pass and it work yet never as a preplanned move
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The ball knocked forward. Thrown forward in the circumstances you refer to and recaught would be a knock on. See Glossery of terms. To avoid the difficulty envisaged with the drop kick. A punt would avoid that difficulty so long as the ball is dropped on the foot vertically and kicked before hitting the ground. Easier said than done.
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What we are seeing though now is there are quite a few grey areas in the rules,open to interpretation but how can it really,I would see one thing then someone else would see it slightly differently,it is a minefield and one that without a doubt needs looking at.
But it’s not helpful the muppets on tv and yea we fans harangue the ref at any given opertunity only for a few days later when tempera have cooled to see that in this case,by the letter of the law Hicks was right,there isn’t room for common sense to be applied unless of course it’s written in the rule book.
But it’s not helpful the muppets on tv and yea we fans harangue the ref at any given opertunity only for a few days later when tempera have cooled to see that in this case,by the letter of the law Hicks was right,there isn’t room for common sense to be applied unless of course it’s written in the rule book.
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Re: Kris Radlinski calls for changes after controversial 'no try' for Wigan Warriors
but it wasnt a knock on here for jarrod sammut on 5minsSJ wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 1:45 pm The ball knocked forward. Thrown forward in the circumstances you refer to and recaught would be a knock on. See Glossery of terms. To avoid the difficulty envisaged with the drop kick. A punt would avoid that difficulty so long as the ball is dropped on the foot vertically and kicked before hitting the ground. Easier said than done.
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Re: Kris Radlinski calls for changes after controversial 'no try' for Wigan Warriors
its not a forward pass its a knock onNezza Faz wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:41 ampedro wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:10 ammeans that if you want to waste time you could run with the ball and throw it at an oppositions hand to force a scrumCaboosegg wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:03 am
And theres a issue that rule basically spoilt a brilliant play, its moments like that that make the game interesting, but that rule basically means that TL should have just left the ball on the floor and thrown his hands up to claim a knock on instead of taking advantage of his hard work.
Try vs a scrum i kow which one i prefered to watch.
Slight problem with that pedro, in most cases be a pen against him if he's thrown it forward into the opponent - be classed as an "intentional" forward pass which is a penalty against. But obviously rarely seen