SALARY CAP
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SALARY CAP
Please put all your comment re Salary Cap on here please
I’ve moved as many as I could from the Bateman thread.
Thank you
I’ve moved as many as I could from the Bateman thread.
Thank you
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:35 am by Wigan_forever1985
The problem is with the cap is the same issue with Rugby League in general - its always lowest common denominator
There is never an incentive for a club to go above and beyond look at the way you win the league you only have to win 50% of your games + 3
For sports to grow and improve you need to allow teams scope to improve their own businesses. The cap should be incentivized
Higher dispensation for those who run academy teams - maybe even make that the prize for the academy GF, those who bring in average crowds get higher allowance and so on. Make it worth it.
But unless you change the way the competition is won i cant see anybody trying that hard to improve. The better teams know they can coast through the (pre)season and because they have larger squads they will be ok come to the business end
I totally disagree with the premise it makes it better because "anyone can win it" or games would be dead rubber for the mid pack- 1) proven that it doesnt mean anyone can win it as the same teams keep winning it, 2) good if you have a bang average team that only wins x amount of games you dont deserve to be able to challenge, get better!
You argue the morals of football where billionaires have dictated the best teams but 5 different winners over the last 10 years in a much harder competition to win - you look at this city team now who look absolutely immense reegardless of them dominating or not people just want to watch them because the standard is amazing
1 or 2 teams will always be fairly dominant in any sport but they set the bar if you have 10/10 teams at the top your middle teams will be 6 or 7/10
if you have 6/10 teams at the top you will have 2 or 3/10 teams below them
All we have done in Superleauge is made every team worse
The problem is with the cap is the same issue with Rugby League in general - its always lowest common denominator
There is never an incentive for a club to go above and beyond look at the way you win the league you only have to win 50% of your games + 3
For sports to grow and improve you need to allow teams scope to improve their own businesses. The cap should be incentivized
Higher dispensation for those who run academy teams - maybe even make that the prize for the academy GF, those who bring in average crowds get higher allowance and so on. Make it worth it.
But unless you change the way the competition is won i cant see anybody trying that hard to improve. The better teams know they can coast through the (pre)season and because they have larger squads they will be ok come to the business end
I totally disagree with the premise it makes it better because "anyone can win it" or games would be dead rubber for the mid pack- 1) proven that it doesnt mean anyone can win it as the same teams keep winning it, 2) good if you have a bang average team that only wins x amount of games you dont deserve to be able to challenge, get better!
You argue the morals of football where billionaires have dictated the best teams but 5 different winners over the last 10 years in a much harder competition to win - you look at this city team now who look absolutely immense reegardless of them dominating or not people just want to watch them because the standard is amazing
1 or 2 teams will always be fairly dominant in any sport but they set the bar if you have 10/10 teams at the top your middle teams will be 6 or 7/10
if you have 6/10 teams at the top you will have 2 or 3/10 teams below them
All we have done in Superleauge is made every team worse
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
by Mike » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:45 pm
Pool all income into a central fund and reallocate - treat the game as one business, not a set of competing businesses trying to put one another out of business. Licencing is one step towards this, the next step is a pooled merchanising strategy and finances. I know some people will say this in unfair and the teams that make no effort benefit from the teams that do, but those teams are extremely resource constrained so how are you going to get them to "invest" more in marketing unless you give them more resource? This way everyone is pulling in the same direction. If wigan sell more shirts it benefits the whole league, if cas sell more after a good season it also benefits everyone. Doesn't have to be 100% even distributions, there can be formulas that incentivise clubs to perfom well financially and with marketing, but some component of the total financial income of the sport has to be pooled.Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:39 pm
Wes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:46 pm
RE cap, if every team had to spend a minimum of 90% it would bring bottom teams up, as it is it brings top teams down.Nathan_rugby wrote
Force clubs to spend money they don’t have?
How do we improve the product then? The game is going backwards.
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
Post by pedro » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:30 pm
Mike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:45 pm
so would penalise the clubs that do a lot and reward the clubs that do nothing, similar to the cap now and tv deal, its easy replace them with teams that
Mike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:45 pm
Pool all income into a central fund and reallocate - treat the game as one business, not a set of competing businesses trying to put one another out of business. Licencing is one step towards this, the next step is a pooled merchanising strategy and finances. I know some people will say this in unfair and the teams that make no effort benefit from the teams that do, but those teams are extremely resource constrained so how are you going to get them to "invest" more in marketing unless you give them more resource? This way everyone is pulling in the same direction. If wigan sell more shirts it benefits the whole league, if cas sell more after a good season it also benefits everyone. Doesn't have to be 100% even distributions, there can be formulas that incentivise clubs to perfom well financially and with marketing, but some component of the total financial income of the sport has to be pooled.Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:39 pm
How do we improve the product then? The game is going backwards.nathan_rugby wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:56 pm
Force clubs to spend money they don’t have?
so would penalise the clubs that do a lot and reward the clubs that do nothing, similar to the cap now and tv deal, its easy replace them with teams that
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
Post by pedro » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:30 pm
so would penalise the clubs that do a lot and reward the clubs that do nothing, similar to the cap now and tv deal, its easy replace them with teams that will, the franchise (new) should get rid of the teams that promised the world and delivered nothingMike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:45 pm
Pool all income into a central fund and reallocate - treat the game as one business, not a set of competing businesses trying to put one another out of business. Licencing is one step towards this, the next step is a pooled merchanising strategy and finances. I know some people will say this in unfair and the teams that make no effort benefit from the teams that do, but those teams are extremely resource constrained so how are you going to get them to "invest" more in marketing unless you give them more resource? This way everyone is pulling in the same direction. If wigan sell more shirts it benefits the whole league, if cas sell more after a good season it also benefits everyone. Doesn't have to be 100% even distributions, there can be formulas that incentivise clubs to perfom well financially and with marketing, but some component of the total financial income of the sport has to be pooled.Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:39 pm
How do we improve the product then? The game is going backwards.nathan_rugby wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:56 pm
Force clubs to spend money they don’t have?
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
Post by Caboosegg » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:44 pm
Take the big one vs Leeds a few years back. Wigan took the time to do stuff around the town including freebies. Why is it down to the club to provide that level of advertisement for a professional sport with a overly involved governing body.
He is right on centralising areas though. Proper Advertisement of matches/ticket offers/Events should be a priority and it should be the responsibility of the RFL, they take a cut and do what?pedro wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:30 pm
so would penalise the clubs that do a lot and reward the clubs that do nothing, similar to the cap now and tv deal, its easy replace them with teams that will, the franchise (new) should get rid of the teams that promised the world and delivered nothingMike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:45 pm
Pool all income into a central fund and reallocate - treat the game as one business, not a set of competing businesses trying to put one another out of business. Licencing is one step towards this, the next step is a pooled merchanising strategy and finances. I know some people will say this in unfair and the teams that make no effort benefit from the teams that do, but those teams are extremely resource constrained so how are you going to get them to "invest" more in marketing unless you give them more resource? This way everyone is pulling in the same direction. If wigan sell more shirts it benefits the whole league, if cas sell more after a good season it also benefits everyone. Doesn't have to be 100% even distributions, there can be formulas that incentivise clubs to perfom well financially and with marketing, but some component of the total financial income of the sport has to be pooled.Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:39 pm
How do we improve the product then? The game is going backwards.
Take the big one vs Leeds a few years back. Wigan took the time to do stuff around the town including freebies. Why is it down to the club to provide that level of advertisement for a professional sport with a overly involved governing body.
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
Post by the pieman » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:14 pm
Sky basically paid the equivalent of 2.1million to each SL club, and therefore they should have been made to use that money on 1st team salary cap, but clearly, several clubs didnt / dont
Even if the sky money has now dropped to a lower level, the clubs should be forced to use that to pay as much as they can on 1st team player salaries
as many have said (many times previously too), the tail wags the dog when it comes to RL, and thus we are always defined by the lowest denominator, not the highest and its time that changed
if the Sky money equates to 1.5mill, then that should all be paid as salaries, the rest needs to be made up by the club, if they are going to pay up to the cap, but they cant not use TV money
all clubs should have money to spend up to the cap - or should have done prior to the new TV dealnathan_rugby wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:56 pm
Force clubs to spend money they don’t have?Wes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:46 pm
RE cap, if every team had to spend a minimum of 90% it would bring bottom teams up, as it is it brings top teams down.
Sky basically paid the equivalent of 2.1million to each SL club, and therefore they should have been made to use that money on 1st team salary cap, but clearly, several clubs didnt / dont
Even if the sky money has now dropped to a lower level, the clubs should be forced to use that to pay as much as they can on 1st team player salaries
as many have said (many times previously too), the tail wags the dog when it comes to RL, and thus we are always defined by the lowest denominator, not the highest and its time that changed
if the Sky money equates to 1.5mill, then that should all be paid as salaries, the rest needs to be made up by the club, if they are going to pay up to the cap, but they cant not use TV money
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
Wes » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:51 pm
If teams can’t spend the cap then what’s the point in it? Should be scrapped if that’s the case so the clubs who have can spend what they like
TV deal covers most of the cap for SL clubs so yes they do have the money to spend 90%.nathan_rugby wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:56 pm
Force clubs to spend money they don’t have?Wes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:46 pm
RE cap, if every team had to spend a minimum of 90% it would bring bottom teams up, as it is it brings top teams down.
If teams can’t spend the cap then what’s the point in it? Should be scrapped if that’s the case so the clubs who have can spend what they like
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
medlocke » Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:00 pm
I wonder if having a huge company as sponsors for such a long time adds any money to the clubs in the NRL, Maybe IMG should look into sorting one out for us, change the SL name as well and while they are at it maybe they could help line up some bigger companies for club sponsors and finally bring the corner flags back into play
I wonder if having a huge company as sponsors for such a long time adds any money to the clubs in the NRL, Maybe IMG should look into sorting one out for us, change the SL name as well and while they are at it maybe they could help line up some bigger companies for club sponsors and finally bring the corner flags back into play
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
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Re: SALARY CAP
Mike » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:26 pm
But seriously. In the real world, how would you raise the level of the teams who are struggling for finance to a point where they could possibly start to contribute? Getting rid of teams is great, but we'd be left with 4 or 6 maybe?
I said people would say that...pedro wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:30 pm
so would penalise the clubs that do a lot and reward the clubs that do nothing, similar to the cap now and tv deal, its easy replace them with teams that will, the franchise (new) should get rid of the teams that promised the world and delivered nothingMike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:45 pm
Pool all income into a central fund and reallocate - treat the game as one business, not a set of competing businesses trying to put one another out of business. Licencing is one step towards this, the next step is a pooled merchanising strategy and finances. I know some people will say this in unfair and the teams that make no effort benefit from the teams that do, but those teams are extremely resource constrained so how are you going to get them to "invest" more in marketing unless you give them more resource? This way everyone is pulling in the same direction. If wigan sell more shirts it benefits the whole league, if cas sell more after a good season it also benefits everyone. Doesn't have to be 100% even distributions, there can be formulas that incentivise clubs to perfom well financially and with marketing, but some component of the total financial income of the sport has to be pooled.Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:39 pm
How do we improve the product then? The game is going backwards.
But seriously. In the real world, how would you raise the level of the teams who are struggling for finance to a point where they could possibly start to contribute? Getting rid of teams is great, but we'd be left with 4 or 6 maybe?
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan