Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 5:23 pmDon’t forget that most players will be due an inflationary pay rise and with the salary cap remaining the same, and with upgrades that means less money to spend on new players.
Why will they?
Wouldn’t expect this to be built into their contracts but rather based on perceived value and performance.
For example, Farrell is most likely on the same salary each year, whereas someone like Walters may get 20% increase year on year.
Exactly, inflation or some form of it will be built into contracts.
It isn’t really inflationary rises that are normally 1-3%.
It will be perceived performance based and and is the same problem that management need to tackle every year. This is why salary cap management isn’t just a one year thing.
Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 5:23 pmDon’t forget that most players will be due an inflationary pay rise and with the salary cap remaining the same, and with upgrades that means less money to spend on new players.
Why will they?
Wouldn’t expect this to be built into their contracts but rather based on perceived value and performance.
For example, Farrell is most likely on the same salary each year, whereas someone like Walters may get 20% increase year on year.
You don't believe everyone should get a payrise like every other job?
These are two reasons not to trust people.
1. We don't know them.
2. We do know them.
Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 5:23 pmDon’t forget that most players will be due an inflationary pay rise and with the salary cap remaining the same, and with upgrades that means less money to spend on new players.
Why will they?
Wouldn’t expect this to be built into their contracts but rather based on perceived value and performance.
For example, Farrell is most likely on the same salary each year, whereas someone like Walters may get 20% increase year on year.
You don't believe everyone should get a payrise like every other job?
I never said that the players shouldn't get an inflationary payrise like in other jobs. I was making a point to understand how it works in reality as it isn't as simple as granting inflationary payrises because of contracts and the salary cap.
If the contract doesn't stipulate inflationary price increases, which I assume the club wouldn't do as they cannot predict inflation and it could easily take them over the salary cap, then they won't get an inflationary price rise.
After recent experiments, we've shown we're got cover for the Wing, Centre, FB, Standoff and a little bit of scrum half in the current playing staff if we lose hampshire but retain Eckersly and the young winger. We could be light with 3 or more injuries/suspensions in the backs, so maybe a more experienced utility is in order.
Second row looks like two from the three big names if we lose Isa, so perhaps a touch short there, but perhaps a lighter prop can cover without too much issue. The problem would be in defence where they have to have good mobility and an understanding with the centre on their side. So maybe a new player wouldn't hurt, but perhaps there's a junior ready to step in for 5 or so games next year. Longer term Faz won't go on forever, so we do need a longer term option as cover.
Prop seems fine even if we lose Cooper. Loose is sort of similar with Ellis and Mago playing that spot hopefully with a youngster ready to step in for a few matches if we need it.
Hooker looks not bad with 2 from 3.
Overall, we're in a strong position without recruitment IMO. Its not an obvious call where the position that most need strengthening is.
Charriots Offiah wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 5:23 pmDon’t forget that most players will be due an inflationary pay rise and with the salary cap remaining the same, and with upgrades that means less money to spend on new players.
Why will they?
Wouldn’t expect this to be built into their contracts but rather based on perceived value and performance.
For example, Farrell is most likely on the same salary each year, whereas someone like Walters may get 20% increase year on year.
You don't believe everyone should get a payrise like every other job?
I do. The RFL doesn't. Monkeys.
"The finite cap for the Betfred Super League will stay at £2.1m for a fifth consecutive season,"
And for the avoidance of doubt, this isn't just a pay freeze, it's a real world pay CUT (of around 20% or so depending upon where you start the measure).
It's the same as sitting all the players down in 2019 and saying "you will get a 20% pay cut over the next 5 years if you play our sport".
Wouldn’t expect this to be built into their contracts but rather based on perceived value and performance.
For example, Farrell is most likely on the same salary each year, whereas someone like Walters may get 20% increase year on year.
Exactly, inflation or some form of it will be built into contracts.
It isn’t really inflationary rises that are normally 1-3%.
It will be perceived performance based and and is the same problem that management need to tackle every year. This is why salary cap management isn’t just a one year thing.
So you are telling me that players don’t get inflationary rises?
Exactly, inflation or some form of it will be built into contracts.
It isn’t really inflationary rises that are normally 1-3%.
It will be perceived performance based and and is the same problem that management need to tackle every year. This is why salary cap management isn’t just a one year thing.
So you are telling me that players don’t get inflationary rises?
Some may, some may not, depends what is in their contract. It won't be a blank rule like you are implying.
Imagine a scenario where we are paying 3% below the 2.1m salary cap and in the next season we have the same players on the exact same salary + a built in inflationary pay rise.
If inflation is 3% and under, then we will still be under the 2.1m salary cap.
If inflation is above 3%, then the club will end up above the salary cap because of built into contractual rises with inflation.
I know for a fact that a lot of players have built in contract rises year on year, but this is more from an experience/performance perspective rather than inflation. For example, you could expect Walters salary to maybe increase 10-15k year on year.
Wintergreen wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:14 am
And for the avoidance of doubt, this isn't just a pay freeze, it's a real world pay CUT (of around 20% or so depending upon where you start the measure).
It's the same as sitting all the players down in 2019 and saying "you will get a 20% pay cut over the next 5 years if you play our sport".
This is what has effectively happened, but the clubs can offset this by running a squad with 20% less cost - i.e. more youngsters on lower wages than before, or fewer players full stop.
It isn’t really inflationary rises that are normally 1-3%.
It will be perceived performance based and and is the same problem that management need to tackle every year. This is why salary cap management isn’t just a one year thing.
So you are telling me that players don’t get inflationary rises?
Some may, some may not, depends what is in their contract. It won't be a blank rule like you are implying.
Imagine a scenario where we are paying 3% below the 2.1m salary cap and in the next season we have the same players on the exact same salary + a built in inflationary pay rise.
If inflation is 3% and under, then we will still be under the 2.1m salary cap.
If inflation is above 3%, then the club will end up above the salary cap because of built into contractual rises with inflation.
I know for a fact that a lot of players have built in contract rises year on year, but this is more from an experience/performance perspective rather than inflation. For example, you could expect Walters salary to maybe increase 10-15k year on year.
I never mentioned a blanket rule! Who said we are paying 3% below the salary cap? Of course players have contracts that increase annually, for a variety of reasons hence the reason why we will release some players at the end of the season.
