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Lockers was very quiet last night. He didn't have a good game, especially going forward. But then only Hock really did. I thought the urgency and speed of execution of the team was very poor. There seemed to be a lack of motivation or desire throughout the squad.

At least we don't have to be good at this part of the season, and with the table as tight as it is now we have a shot at the top 4 and a playoff run if our form gradually improves throughout the year.

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cpwigan wrote:I have no problem with Lockers the player. I rate him. I do not mind him leading by example as a captain.

Surely if someone who is supposed to "lead by example" isn't doing so because they are playing poorly, doesn't that expose the notion of "leading by example" for the myth it is because what it boils down to is if he isn't playing well we have no leadership on the field?

I have never subscribed to the idea anyone can lead by example alone. A captain has to lead by example (I think set an example is more accurate) AND talk the captains talk.

However, officials need to be kept honest. By calling a halt and demanding to speak to the referee 2 things happen. One you put what you want onto the agenda and two you give your team a longer break.

Well if that is the case Lockers ought not to be captain because he never seems to do this regardless of how well he is playing. He sets a fine example by tackling himself into the ground but that isn't leadership and isn't the answer to every problem as you point out since Ganson is not going to be kept honest because Lockers has just put in his 35th tackle of the match.

Dave

sat night to me just showed how lightweight in work rate our pack is, for me there were only 2 players in the pack worthy of a mention hock by far was our best player on the park followed closley by coley, ok i have to admit he gave away a couple of stupid penalties but you cant knock his work rate.

I would love to see the stats for the game as one thing that realy stuck out to me was how come barrett seemed to make more tackles than most of the pack put together, its no wonder the bloke cant get in to his stride when he keeps having to cover for half hearted challenges from the likes of hansen lockers and higham.

For me lockers shouldnt have been named club captain this season, it should be barrett all the way. i say this about lockers for two reasons
1. he isnt vocal enough with players and referee
2. he goes missing at periods in the game were a captains knock is needed.

we need a general who will lead the pack around the park and up till now lockers just doesnt have the leadership in him.

I think we all know where we stand with the Lockers as captain debate. For me, I think the attitude of refs has to change. It seemed captains cant get a word in or fight their corner, having to sucumb to the 'accuracies and truths' that the referees opinion on a matter is correct.

The ref calls over the captain, he speaks, the captain tries to reply but gets sent back into play. This doesnt happen 100% of the time but it's of high occurance.

Fletcher would have come in handy on Saturday as I remember last year when ganson was having an "off" day towards wigan and fletch walked over to ganson after the oposion (sp) had scored a try and give him a piece of his mind you could hear what fletch was saying from the stands and as this is a family message board id better not post what he said.

So the perfect captain material is someone who thinks nothing of swearing at the ref? How is that going to help achieve anything?

Lockers has never proved himself as a skipper simply because he cannot motivate others and Barrett should have been made Captain last season.However i am amazed that some people seem to think that putting pressure on a referee and giving him stick is a captains job.One of the many advantages our sport has over football is that we do not abuse or swear at the ref,so please lets not sink to that level. A captain should ask the ref why a decision has been made then get on with his job.

old hooker wrote:Lockers has never proved himself as a skipper simply because he cannot motivate others and Barrett should have been made Captain last season.However i am amazed that some people seem to think that putting pressure on a referee and giving him stick is a captains job.One of the many advantages our sport has over football is that we do not abuse or swear at the ref,so please lets not sink to that level. A captain should ask the ref why a decision has been made then get on with his job.

It is not about putting pressure on the referee in terms of slagging him off like football.

It is about talking to the ref and making your views known and querying the decisions legitimately. Most captains do this. Lockers doesn't on the whole doesn't do this.

If someone milks a penalty v Wigan by dropping the ball I see no reason why this can't be mentioned to the ref in the form of a question such as "I thought he dropped it, sir?" or similar just to get it into the refs head.

The captain can legitimately query decisions and if the team need a breather doing so can help give them one. It's gamesmanship the best captains employ.

Dave

So the perfect captain material is someone who thinks nothing of swearing at the ref? How is that going to help achieve anything?

No, swearing at the ref will achieve nothing, but it is someone who has the back bone to question the the ref's decision when it is obvious he has made the wrong decision.I don't want to knock lockers as I think he's a good player and does a pretty good job at being captain for his age but he needs to learn that he can question the ref in a sensible manner

I just dont see any qualities in O'Loughlin as captain what so ever! He is just NOT a captain and the sooner he is demoted the better for the team. The man never talks to his player!! I dont even rate him as a player anymore. He makes error after error, missed tackles by swining too high at them and gives FAR to many penalties away. We need a decent (BIG)(TOUGH)loose forward like Andy Farrell again.