Shaun Ainscough

[DaveO]

It's actually pretty simple rules-wise.

Taken directly from the rules:

A Club must ensure that its Aggregate First Tier Liability does not exceed £1,600,000 (One Million Six Hundred Thousand Pounds) at any time during the Salary Cap Year.

(a)
A Club’s “Aggregate First Tier Liability” is calculated by adding together the respective Salary Cap Values of the Club’s First Tier Players at the given time in question.

(b) A Club’s “First Tier Players” are the 25 Players registered with the Club and eligible to play in the Super League who have the highest Salary Cap Values at the time in question, whether or not they have played for the Club in a Salary Cap Relevant Match in the Salary Cap Year to that date.

It can then spend up to £50K on it's second tier players. Taken form the rules:

A Club must ensure that its Aggregate Second Tier Liability does not exceed £50,000 (Fifty Thousand Pounds) at any time during the Salary Cap Year.

(a)
A Club’s “Aggregate Second Tier Liability” at any given time during the Salary Cap Year is calculated by adding together the Salary Cap Values of the Club’s Second Tier Players at the time in question.

(b) A Club’s “Second Tier Players” are those Players who have represented the Club in a Salary Cap Relevant Match during the Salary Cap Year but do not have one of the Club’s 25 highest Salary Cap Values at the time in question.

So Aincough will be a second tier player as I expect will Sam Tomkins.

We have no idea though how Mathers leaving, Goulding going on loan and Gleeson joining has affected the first tier liability.

For example it could be possible that with effectively two players out and one in, the highest paid player outside the top 25 earners would now be considered part of the first tier. So his wages would count as part of the £1.6m cap and no longer count on the £50K second tier cap.

It's got to work like that when you think about it because the first tier players are simply the top 25 earners so with two out and one in then another player just got "promoted" to a 1st tier player as far as the salary cap goes because don't forget the cap is "live" and adjusted as clubs make changes to their teams.

The important thing to remember is these are two completely separate pots of money and if we only spend £1.4m on the top 25 players we can't then spend £250,000 on the second tier players. The £50K limit still applies to the 2nd tier players.

So if anyone wants to speculate we can't play Ainscough because we would break the cap then you need to work out which 2nd tier players we have on the books which basically means which players outside the top 25 earners have played in a SL or Cup game for us this year.

If it is only S Tomkins and Ainscough then the club has £50K to spend between them. I'd be very surprised if either of them had clauses in their contracts that put them on a wage that would break that limit.

Dave

[warrior till i die]

from a reliable source (not naming names)

shaun has a clause in a contract where he is on a certain amount for a certain amount of games and if he plays more than that, or scores a certain amount of tries, then he gets a pay rise.

[gpartin]

from a reliable source (not naming names)

shaun has a clause in a contract where he is on a certain amount for a certain amount of games and if he plays more than that, or scores a certain amount of tries, then he gets a pay rise.

Given Brian Noble's apparent reluctance in the past to pick young players, if he has signed a contract based on appearances thus giving Noble a valid reason not to play him, he needs a new agent.

[GeoffN]

So Aincough will be a second tier player as I expect will Sam Tomkins.

We only have a 27-man squad now, without the loaned/left players.

Tomkins is #25 (with #1 and #18 vacant, and possibly #3 too), so surely he must be first tier? It would also seem odd to me if Mossop, Flanagan & Farrell (#24, #26 & #27) are on more than Ainscough. (Mossop possibly is, as he recently had a contract extension).

I see our first tier 25 as:

1 Roberts
2 Carmont
3 Richards
4 Smith
5 Leuluai
6 Fielden
7 Riddell
8 Feca
9 Hock
10 Bailey
11 Lockers
12 Joel Tomkins
13 Coley
14 Hansen
15 McIlorum
16 Prescott
17 Pryce
18 Phelps
19 Gleeson
20 O'Carroll
21 Sam Tomkins
22 Flanagan
23 Farrell
24 Ainscough
25 Davies

second tier just

26 Tuson
27 Thornley

[ancientnloyal]

remember we had #18 and #... 24? free, definately 2 shirts avilable in the 25 if you purely look into shirt numbers, that was before Gleeson arrived.

Would it be at all possible to gain such information on contracts without people aksing them on facebook? or is information private (being wages etc.)

[DaveO]

So Aincough will be a second tier player as I expect will Sam Tomkins.

second tier just

26 Tuson
27 Thornley

If those two are our only two 2nd tier players which given what you posted seems likely, it simply means Ainscough's wages come out of the £1.6m main salary cap not the £50K second tier money.

So it will all be down to whether or not there is enough room left under the main cap limit if his contract terms gets him a pay rise.

I find the idea a club would agree such a contract very strange because things like how many tries he scores or games he plays are to a degree out of their control. Suspension and injuries saw him in the side and it could force him into it again.

Dave

[cpwigan]

I heard if he plays more than ten first team games they would have to re-new his contract and add him to the salary cap and it would put us over. could be rubbish, hope so.

one for CP.. been going the reserve games this season not been one against saints yet do you think there will be a good crowd friday??

Hope so White Elephant. I cannot recall a Friday match. The attendance increases when we play them on a weekend match. You get more Saints supporters than the normal away support and our support increases. Get there a bit earlier than normal re parking.

[GeoffN]

I find it strange that, if it is a salary cap issue of some sort, the club haven't used it as a genuine excuse for not selecting him.

It would make more sense, and be a more sensible reason if true, than this ridiculous "duty of care" excuse.

With the "live" cap these days, why not just say that the signing of Gleeson has pushed us right to the edge? I'm pretty sure most fans would accept that.

[the-Bowtun-Warrior]

Shaun tells me that the Salary Cap has nothing to do with not playing of late.


i'm not so sure...

[FROM A TO B]

remember we had #18 and #... 24? free, definately 2 shirts avilable in the 25 if you purely look into shirt numbers, that was before Gleeson arrived.

Would it be at all possible to gain such information on contracts without people aksing them on facebook? or is information private (being wages etc.)

to be honest if someone posted on a site how much I was earning, i'd be a tad miffed.
why should anyone reveal wages of any indivudual, be they players, backroom staff or working the tunstiles, it's their business