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[quote="Kittwazzer"]By definition, you can't cheat legally. My understanding is that the Salary Cap restricts the amount the club pay out in wages. Presumably, it does not restrict how much the players can receive.

In the spirit of fair play, these 2 amounts should be the same. But the Warrington chairman is a multi millionaire and committed to success. If he is paying players out of his own pocket, I don't see how anyone can stop him!

For all we know, he may have hired King as his Personal Trainer for £200K pa. Carvell may be cleaning his windows for a similar wage. Morley could be giving his daughter ballet lessons!

I AGREE WITH YOU BUT YOU ARE MISSING MY POINT IF THE RULES CAN BE SO EASERLY BREACHED.THEN CHANGE THE RULES "SIMPLE" or it should be. If a rule is seen to be unfair then it is useless because others will bend or twist it for themselves.Your agreement that a team can work outside the salary cap makes a good case for there to be no salary cap at all then it is then up to the richest clubs to bye the best players and the rest can go to hell.

KW the RFL rules forbid any such methods. However, that does not mean they do not take place. A player as in Melbourne's case might be paid 1 figure on the books and given an extra payment elsewhere by the same employee under another name. It took the NRL 5 years to prove anything against Melbourne and that was only after somebody mistakenly gave Ian Schubert the wrong set of accounting records.

nellywelly wrote:

pedro wrote:

Matthew wrote:I would say that wire are far more blatant than the storm. I would be fascinated to see how their cap is divided up amongst their team.

Wire's top earners are likely to be (in no particular order):

King
Morley
Monaghan
Hicks
Briers
Carvell
Atkins
Myler (they won a bidding war to sign him)
Higham
Bridge
Solomona

And they have just signed the reigning man of steel for next year after outbidding his current club (where he is the star player) in Hodgson.

It was reported in more than one place that King is reputed to be on £250K a year - the salary cap is £1.6 million so that is a sixth of it gone on one player. It was reported by the Aussie press that King was paid a large portion in image rights for flying over Singapore.

For whatever reason the RFL are either unable or unwilling to sort out wire's finances. It's either that or all of the junior players and some of the lesser senior pros are being paid in bottle tops, buttons and lint.

Higham went there for 30k

Right thats one down MORLEY chose wolves ??? because they were succesfull ? or because they offerd more cash £100,000 AT LEAST
Carvell same as Morley
King £250,000 ?
Monaghan £100,000 +
Atkins out bid all other teams got to be again around £100,000
myler your guess is as good as mine OUT BID ALL OTHER TEAMS
that in my reconing is over £700,000 a year on just 6 players
The figuers just dont stack up they have to be cheating the system and thats what is wrong with the present system no team should so easerly cheat it leagualy or not

but, you are just plucking numbers out of the air. Myler was bought bear in mind.

How do you know what everyone is on? You said Myler was on a good wedge and he isnt so maybe you are wrong with the others.

cpwigan wrote:KW the RFL rules forbid any such methods. However, that does not mean they do not take place. A player as in Melbourne's case might be paid 1 figure on the books and given an extra payment elsewhere by the same employee under another name. It took the NRL 5 years to prove anything against Melbourne and that was only after somebody mistakenly gave Ian Schubert the wrong set of accounting records.

Maybe forbidden but if it is happening it will be impossible to prove. That would require an in depth investigation into each players personal finances and who would agree to that?

You say Storm got away with it for 5 years and would be home and dry had it not been for a silly mistake. Short of the same thing happening at Warrington, or a disgruntled former player turning whistle blower, the situation seems set to continue!

I assume that prima facie, as far as Red Hall are concerned, Warrington are squeaky clean!

At the end of the day we are so much better and classier than lot.

nellywelly wrote: it is useless because others will bend or twist it for themselves.Your agreement that a team can work outside the salary cap makes a good case for there to be no salary cap at all then it is then up to the richest clubs to bye the best players and the rest can go to hell.

Maybe that is what is happening. We cerainly don't appear to be playing on a level playing field. Similar situation to when Wigan first turned pro. Took a couple of years for other teams to follow suit and several more to catch up. Maybe Warrington are determined to enjoy a similar purple patch. Difference of course being that we acted within the rules!!!

Wire smell more than a bit fishy.

King is publically signed on a £300K + per year contract. That's a matter of public record.

Morley is the best paid prop in English RL. More so the Fielden by a considerable way. Uncle Mo was very disgruntled about this.

Myler turned down Salford on a deal that would have made him Salfords highest paid player. Again that's on record.

So, here we have 3 players earning top notch with scraps of the salary cap distributed around the rest of that very deep squad?? Please!

pedro wrote:

nellywelly wrote:

pedro wrote:
Higham went there for 30k

Right thats one down MORLEY chose wolves ??? because they were succesfull ? or because they offerd more cash £100,000 AT LEAST
Carvell same as Morley
King £250,000 ?
Monaghan £100,000 +
Atkins out bid all other teams got to be again around £100,000
myler your guess is as good as mine OUT BID ALL OTHER TEAMS
that in my reconing is over £700,000 a year on just 6 players
The figuers just dont stack up they have to be cheating the system and thats what is wrong with the present system no team should so easerly cheat it leagualy or not

but, you are just plucking numbers out of the air. Myler was bought bear in mind.

How do you know what everyone is on? You said Myler was on a good wedge and he isnt so maybe you are wrong with the others.

The point is I dont and niether do Red Hall by the looks of it and to me the system is not right as long as there is any question not answerd positivly with honesty.In any sport there is cheating and teams will always find ways around the system.So perhaps there should be an acceptance that teams are going to cheat if they can get away with it. So on them terms the salary cap should have a system where a clubs finances are taken into account IE turn over gate reciets ex; thus clubs which are on sound financial footing are allowed to spend ex amount above the cap. This would turn the clock back a bit but it would allow a certain amount of reallity back in to the league.The safe guard being of the regulations to stop teams over reaching themselves. I FOR ONE DONT THINK WARRINGTON ARE OVER REACHING THEMSELVES. but hey we could also pay alittle more with out breaking the bank . Also we should as soon as possible have the overseas quota down to 6 or less in each team as soon as poss

I was told Wire pay Myler far more than Sam T. Carvell was signed via a bidding war, we got blown out early doors (glad we did with hindsight) and hull bid as high as they could.

The rest of the NRL kept saying how can Melbourne keep all these marquee players because they know the approximate value of players contracts but it took 5 years and a mistake by Melbourne to uncover proof.

nellywelly wrote:

pedro wrote:

nellywelly wrote: Right thats one down MORLEY chose wolves ??? because they were succesfull ? or because they offerd more cash £100,000 AT LEAST
Carvell same as Morley
King £250,000 ?
Monaghan £100,000 +
Atkins out bid all other teams got to be again around £100,000
myler your guess is as good as mine OUT BID ALL OTHER TEAMS
that in my reconing is over £700,000 a year on just 6 players
The figuers just dont stack up they have to be cheating the system and thats what is wrong with the present system no team should so easerly cheat it leagualy or not

but, you are just plucking numbers out of the air. Myler was bought bear in mind.

How do you know what everyone is on? You said Myler was on a good wedge and he isnt so maybe you are wrong with the others.

The point is I dont and niether do Red Hall by the looks of it and to me the system is not right as long as there is any question not answerd positivly with honesty.In any sport there is cheating and teams will always find ways around the system.So perhaps there should be an acceptance that teams are going to cheat if they can get away with it. So on them terms the salary cap should have a system where a clubs finances are taken into account IE turn over gate reciets ex; thus clubs which are on sound financial footing are allowed to spend ex amount above the cap. This would turn the clock back a bit but it would allow a certain amount of reallity back in to the league.The safe guard being of the regulations to stop teams over reaching themselves. I FOR ONE DONT THINK WARRINGTON ARE OVER REACHING THEMSELVES. but hey we could also pay alittle more with out breaking the bank . Also we should as soon as possible have the overseas quota down to 6 or less in each team as soon as poss

all signings have to be ok'd by the RFL for the live cap