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cumbria_warrior wrote:I find this hard to believe, surely all bonus payments will be at the end of the season, as was last years for being league leaders, the bonus system is used by all clubs as an additional incentive and I am sure it will be made up of various targets, so reaching grand final/winning it will be a big chunk. But it may be true I just cant se it

Sorry but it is 100% true. Players have confirmed this. The CC bonus is agreed well in advance and then paid out upon conclusion of the competition. The players had a verbal agreement with IL and as yet he has not delivered and the players are not happy. So when we think they look tired, maybe they are just P off.

If true and they are sulking they should hang their heads in shame. This is just not short changing the fans but the great club we are. there are better ways to resolve disputes

Fujiman wrote:If true and they are sulking they should hang their heads in shame. This is just not short changing the fans but the great club we are. there are better ways to resolve disputes

You say that Fuji but show me an employee who works at their optimum when badly treated. If IL has lied to his staff and tried to short change them then perhaps the blame lies with him?

Moreover, I have watched legends of this club throw a game to oust a coach (RT Final v Cas / Dorahay)

cpwigan wrote:

Fujiman wrote:If true and they are sulking they should hang their heads in shame. This is just not short changing the fans but the great club we are. there are better ways to resolve disputes

You say that Fuji but show me an employee who works at their optimum when badly treated. If IL has lied to his staff and tried to short change them then perhaps the blame lies with him?

Moreover, I have watched legends of this club throw a game to oust a coach (RT Final v Cas / Dorahay)

Think we'll have to agree to disagree. Thankful now that I'm not going if the players aren't going to be trying.

Fujiman wrote:

cpwigan wrote:

Fujiman wrote:If true and they are sulking they should hang their heads in shame. This is just not short changing the fans but the great club we are. there are better ways to resolve disputes

You say that Fuji but show me an employee who works at their optimum when badly treated. If IL has lied to his staff and tried to short change them then perhaps the blame lies with him?

Moreover, I have watched legends of this club throw a game to oust a coach (RT Final v Cas / Dorahay)

Think we'll have to agree to disagree. Thankful now that I'm not going if the players aren't going to be trying.

Agree entirely Fuji. There is a right way to resolve a difference and a wrong way. If the players are after one ounce of sympathy from the hard paying public - then this is NOT the right way

cpwigan wrote:

Fujiman wrote:If true and they are sulking they should hang their heads in shame. This is just not short changing the fans but the great club we are. there are better ways to resolve disputes

You say that Fuji but show me an employee who works at their optimum when badly treated. If IL has lied to his staff and tried to short change them then perhaps the blame lies with him?

Moreover, I have watched legends of this club throw a game to oust a coach (RT Final v Cas / Dorahay)

So did I, that was about personality conflicts between the players/coach at that very successful time.

This is a petty squabble over extra money being aired with fans the real losers

The players are nopt going to roll over and play dead BUT we are talking fine margins at an elite level of sport where players have to dig out every ounce of effort and energy. Unhappy players struggle to do that, as would any of you if you are honest with yourselves. Show me an employee who works at hi/her optimum when treated badly and I will show you a liar

Why has IL let the team get like this, given in the greater scheme of things the bonus is small potatoes relatively to the wealth generated by Wembley.

CP, we are not arguing about players not getting paid, but about something supposedly verbally agreed (which is always open to debate over who said what).

Surely this is something better sorted in a couple of weeks time when the season is finished? I see many people unemployed, but still wiling to pay what little they have to watch their "heroes" throw games in an attempt to force the owners hand in a dispute over bonuses

butt monkey wrote:

cpwigan wrote:

Fujiman wrote:If true and they are sulking they should hang their heads in shame. This is just not short changing the fans but the great club we are. there are better ways to resolve disputes

You say that Fuji but show me an employee who works at their optimum when badly treated. If IL has lied to his staff and tried to short change them then perhaps the blame lies with him?

Moreover, I have watched legends of this club throw a game to oust a coach (RT Final v Cas / Dorahay)

So did I, that was about personality conflicts between the players/coach at that very successful time.

This is a petty squabble over extra money being aired with fans the real losers

No difference BM. In fact the RT/Dorahay era was far worse and reached a silly level BUT nobody lost out financially. Some egos were rattled and they threw a game for ego which is simply far worse. IL has created a bad mood in the Wigan playing camp by going back on his word to the players/staff. The mood permeates how well they play.

I defy any of you to honestly say that if your boss took away a large % of your income, lied to you; that you would then put your body 100% on the line for him and work at your optimum.

butt monkey wrote:CP, we are not arguing about players not getting paid, but about something supposedly verbally agreed (which is always open to debate over who said what).

Surely this is something better sorted in a couple of weeks time when the season is finished? I see many people unemployed, but still wiling to pay what little they have to watch their "heroes" throw games in an attempt to force the owners hand in a dispute over bonuses

Nobody has said they are throwing games BM, what it has done is affected their mood, contentment and unhappy players are poorer players in comparison to happy players.

We are only talking 1/2 a yard, a step to close a defensive gap, stop offloads, a little more care over a pass. Small margins make a huge diference.

Upset the balance/harmony and those small margins become evident.