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You are pathetic. Things start to go wrong and lets all start on Danny Orr. Just leave him alone. I was at the Wakefield game last weekend and it was Danny doing the talking, Danny doing an Andrew and shouting at the boys under the sticks to get them motivated and it worked a few minutes more and we would have won. Yes it's been hard for him but this is only three games into his second season and he missed loads last year through injury. I can't make you like the boy but I for one am 100% behind him and always will be. I appreciate that people have their own opinions but you're just been downright nasty. No doubt next week if he wins the game you'll be his biggest fan well don't bother this club don't need so called fans like you.

It seems quite obvious to me that you either know Danny Orr or that you are head of his fan club. Perhaps you are a little biased towards him which clouds your judgement slightly?

I think I speak on everyones behalf when I say we're 100% behind Danny, but when he doesn't put in the performances you expect from him you do start to wonder if things are working for him here.

It has been suggested that Wigan don't play the type of rugby that suits Danny with dummy runners making gaps appear for him to exploit but I thought Kev Brown did well to find a few gaps (especially for his try against the Bulls). He was unlucky with injuries last season and didn't really seem to click with Lam but it's a new season and a new half back pairing with Moran, but I reckon Orr has a fight on his hands for the No.6 shirt with Brownie.

robjoenz posted:
It seems quite obvious to me that you either know Danny Orr or that you are head of his fan club. Perhaps you are a little biased towards him which clouds your judgement slightly?

I think I speak on everyones behalf when I say we're 100% behind Danny, but when he doesn't put in the performances you expect from him you do start to wonder if things are working for him here.

It has been suggested that Wigan don't play the type of rugby that suits Danny with dummy runners making gaps appear for him to exploit but I thought Kev Brown did well to find a few gaps (especially for his try against the Bulls). He was unlucky with injuries last season and didn't really seem to click with Lam but it's a new season and a new half back pairing with Moran, but I reckon Orr has a fight on his hands for the No.6 shirt with Brownie.

Could the quote of being biased towards him have the reverse effect on you as you are anti-Orr and does that not cloud your judgement.

If Brown's pass which went flying into touch had been thrown by Orr you'd have been crucifing him on here. As from that moment on the Bulls dominated.

the number of players that can fill faz,s boots is very limited so i think comparing danny with faz is unfair.he showed his courage by coming back on while hurt and with a more settled team i think he,ll do ok

thegimble posted:
Could the quote of being biased towards him have the reverse effect on you as you are anti-Orr and does that not cloud your judgement.

If Brown's pass which went flying into touch had been thrown by Orr you'd have been crucifing him on here. As from that moment on the Bulls dominated.

I am not anti-Orr? I was taking the middle ground. I didn't say anything derogatory about him, but any Wigan fan being honest will admit that Orr hasn't lived upto expectation.

As I stated in my last post; it is early doors and he has a new half-back partner but he will have some competition from Brown. I admit last season I was getting very impatient with him but we'll just have to see.

Incidently Brown was playing at centre when he threw that wayward pass so if I was being pedantic I'd say you can't compare that to Orr, haha. ...but you are quite right it was a shocking pass and something he needs to work on, he can't afford to do that in the middle of the park.

robjoenz posted:
I am not anti-Orr? I was taking the middle ground. I didn't say anything derogatory about him, but any Wigan fan being honest will admit that Orr hasn't lived upto expectation.

As I stated in my last post; it is early doors and he has a new half-back partner but he will have some competition from Brown. I admit last season I was getting very impatient with him but we'll just have to see.

Incidently Brown was playing at centre when he threw that wayward pass so if I was being pedantic I'd say you can't compare that to Orr, haha. ...but you are quite right it was a shocking pass and something he needs to work on, he can't afford to do that in the middle of the park.

The stand off has been a problem since Henry Paul went. Johns, O Neill, and now Orr. Its the way we play the game with Faz running the show. That means that the stand off does not dictate the game as they do at Leeds and Bradford.

I know that Faz has been injured for a lot of timne in the last 2 years but the game we have is based round him. I like most peole are on the fence regarding Orr. If he doesnot improve then i agree he sould go. Brown is not the answer at the moment.

Just a suggestion but if Faz goes now and please do not shoot me down could we not have Paul back until the end of this season.

oh sugarpuffs (language mate - Rob) i can feel the keyboards being hammered.

thegimble posted:
The stand off has been a problem since Henry Paul went. Johns, O Neill, and now Orr. Its the way we play the game with Faz running the show. That means that the stand off does not dictate the game as they do at Leeds and Bradford.

I know that Faz has been injured for a lot of timne in the last 2 years but the game we have is based round him. I like most peole are on the fence regarding Orr. If he doesnot improve then i agree he sould go. Brown is not the answer at the moment.

Did you not notice when Brown came on we were making more breaks and play revolved more around him (unless it coincided with O'Loughlin being in the bin). He's preferred position is at stand-off and when he has played there he has been good at it, he was raved about in the Academy wasn't he? Now he's making the transition.

Why can't Brown be the answer out of interest? I think some heathly competition for each position is good for the players, removes complacency.

PS. What is a gimble? The only thing I know with that pronouciation is a gimbal; two hooks on planes at right angles to each other so that the item attached to the hooks remains horizontal at all times even if the support moves. Are you saying you are a level headed guy in all situations?

robjoenz posted:

thegimble posted:
The stand off has been a problem since Henry Paul went. Johns, O Neill, and now Orr. Its the way we play the game with Faz running the show. That means that the stand off does not dictate the game as they do at Leeds and Bradford.

I know that Faz has been injured for a lot of timne in the last 2 years but the game we have is based round him. I like most peole are on the fence regarding Orr. If he doesnot improve then i agree he sould go. Brown is not the answer at the moment.

Did you not notice when Brown came on we were making more breaks and play revolved more around him (unless it coincided with O'Loughlin being in the bin). He's preferred position is at stand-off and when he has played there he has been good at it, he was raved about in the Academy wasn't he? Now he's making the transition.

Why can't Brown be the answer out of interest? I think some heathly competition for each position is good for the players, removes complacency.

PS. What is a gimble? The only thing I know with that pronouciation is a gimbal; two hooks on planes at right angles to each other so that the item attached to the hooks remains horizontal at all times even if the support moves. Are you saying you are a level headed guy in all situations?

Brown at this level is an untried quantity at stand off. Without Faz we need an experience head in that position. But in time he may become a quality stand off. Do not think im having a go on Brown i think he is a great prospect and is a good player.

What is Gimble. My mate went round everyone with a new car and said that there Gimblethrusters on there car was damaged and there was a call back as it was dangerous. Would you believe one or two went to a garage. At that time i had purchased a PC (5 years ago) and wanted a log in name my mate was next to and said try gimble and eversince ive used it.

Basically it means nothing apparently its a German word but i think he was talking crap even though at the time he was glued to the german porn on the old sky dish..

Me level headed, nop hard headed yes maybe baldheaded but not level.

T'was brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe
All mimsy were the borogoves
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Classic literature!

Explained by Carroll (that's Lewis, not Tony) as 'to make holes in something, with a screwing motion'.

Further comment would seem superfluous.

Welski posted:
Danny Orr? We shouldn't have touched him with a barge pole.

I think we should stop talking rowlocks.

Sorry for being a bit nautical earlier.