The True Meaning of Ancient and Loyal

[thegimble]

mario posted:
How do you know what Faz is thinking? If he does want to go, have you thought it might be because Wigan are too willing to let him?

He could do what Radlinski did and turn them down immediately and state it in the media. All Farrell needs to do is say he wants to stay it is very simple.

If the club turns round and says we are going to sell you anyway can you imagine the reaction from all of us including myself. Its really down to him the club will not hold him to his contract if he wants to go. This is how British and mainly European sport is run in Oz its a different culture and the club holds sway.

At the end of the day its unfair to blame the club he can honor his contract and there is absoulutly nothing anyone can do about it.

If the club are making the deal aginst his will he should say so now and not in a years time when he is out of the door.

[Welsh Warrior]

Well done ChrisA. Totally agree with everything you say. I wonder how many slating Faz on this message board would stay with their current employer if someone else had offered them a large sum to change jobs. He is 29 and has a chance to set his family up for life while facing a new challenge. He has more or less achieved everything he can in Rugby League.
If he decides to stay or if he decides to go we should all respect him for his decision. I personally wish him all the very best whichever path he chooses.

[ChrisA]

thegimble posted:

ChrisA posted:

thegimble posted: Even if he had to do a u turn id have Radlinski as Captain. We would be Farrell's second choice and he should then be ours.

Dont talk bollox, the guy has given his all for 13 years to this club, you dont treat someone who has done that like you have just suggested. You give us real fans a bad name.

So then who do you think the players will respect then a guy who is going to union for the money or a guy who will stay and loose out financially. He could go for a new challenge or more money but Radlinski will stay and fight whilst Farrel will take the money and run.

If Farrell stays because the deal collapses on financial terms then how can u excpect players to have the same respect for him now as they did a few weeks ago. as he was willing to leave if terms are met. He has been paid well and looked after well by the club.

Its amazing how you excpect fans to stay loyal and players not.

Like I say, after 13 years of good service, if he wants a big pay day or a new challenge, I say thanks and good luck to him, I dont get all bitter and twisted like you seem to be. If he was leavin us for Saints then I would be on his back, but he isnt is he, he fancies a new challenge. We have had the best years out of him and 100% commitment from him for 13 years, to me that is commitment, and that is loyalty to the the cause. If now he feels like he needs a new challenge, or indeed a big pay day, then I for one will not get all worked up and say Andy Farrel has no loyalty to Wigan, because that my friend is just bitter and childish.

[thegimble]

ChrisA posted:

thegimble posted:

ChrisA posted: Dont talk bollox, the guy has given his all for 13 years to this club, you dont treat someone who has done that like you have just suggested. You give us real fans a bad name.

So then who do you think the players will respect then a guy who is going to union for the money or a guy who will stay and loose out financially. He could go for a new challenge or more money but Radlinski will stay and fight whilst Farrel will take the money and run.

If Farrell stays because the deal collapses on financial terms then how can u excpect players to have the same respect for him now as they did a few weeks ago. as he was willing to leave if terms are met. He has been paid well and looked after well by the club.

Its amazing how you excpect fans to stay loyal and players not.

Like I say, after 13 years of good service, if he wants a big pay day or a new challenge, I say thanks and good luck to him, I dont get all bitter and twisted like you seem to be. If he was leavin us for Saints then I would be on his back, but he isnt is he, he fancies a new challenge. We have had the best years out of him and 100% commitment from him for 13 years, to me that is commitment, and that is loyalty to the the cause. If now he feels like he needs a new challenge, or indeed a big pay day, then I for one will not get all worked up and say Andy Farrel has no loyalty to Wigan, because that my friend is just bitter and childish.

Im not bitter or childish in relation to him leaving thats his own decision. My problem is that the timing is wrong. If he wanted a new challenge he should have said so and gone before they went to Florida. Remeber the team comes first and not any individual.

To lose the best player in Europe and not be able to get an adequate replacement in is going to cause us a major problem.

All the team play was directed through him. Were going to take a major step backwards if things go wrong on the field this season. Lets be honest most of u slag off Orr on here as well as Moran and a few has had a go on Vaialeki.

Amazing that no one hardly has mentioned Radlinski as that was the main thrust of the first post.

Are you so wrapped up in wishin Farrell well that no one has mentioned what Radlinski did. Maybe he has enough money and does not need more and is happy with what he has. As Meat Loaf once said "enough is enough".

If he had gone after the last Tri Nation series then there would have been a replacement in. Now we are handicapped in a major way as we lack cover in the pack as it is. If O'Loughlin get injured then we have a problem.

Through all this its the players who will suffer the most.

All this could have been resolved if the deal had been done in October and the team would now be settled. As ive not met anyone who waked up one day and said i need a new challenge and then went off the following day. This is a feeling most get over a long period of time.

[gab0512]

Having posed the question - Would an apology be good enough? I find myself torn between a rock and a hard place.

Faz has been a great servant at the club and deserves our thanks and appreciation. If he goes, then lets remember him as a legend and wish him all the best.

If he stays I would feel like my wife has had an affair with my best mate. I could forgive her but never forget the betrayal! The relationship would never be the same again.

Keeping him as captain if it did all fall through would just be too much.

[thegimble]

gab0512 posted:
Having posed the question - Would an apology be good enough? I find myself torn between a rock and a hard place.

Faz has been a great servant at the club and deserves our thanks and appreciation. If he goes, then lets remember him as a legend and wish him all the best.

I Totally agree with your message especially the top bit.

If he stays I would feel like my wife has had an affair with my best mate. I could forgive her but never forget the betrayal! The relationship would never be the same again.

Keeping him as captain if it did all fall through would just be too much.

Oh shit your in for a rough time now. At least im not the only one apparently talking Bollox and being bitter and childish on here. THX

[gab0512]

heh I love to generate conversation

Just waiting for the backlash

[Fraggle]

thegimble posted:
Im not bitter or childish in relation to him leaving thats his own decision. My problem is that the timing is wrong. If he wanted a new challenge he should have said so and gone before they went to Florida. Remeber the team comes first and not any individual.

You're making the mistake in saying that he's driving this. He's not. The RFU approached the Wigan club about the possibility of him and Rads being available. The club invited the two players to join the discussions, Rads said no thanks, Faz is trying to make a decision about his financial long-term future. There's probably some clause that says that whilst negotiations are ongoing then there will be no public announcements from the player as that could jeapadise any discussions. You can't blame him for at least thinking about the options, you'd do it and I'd do it, although I personally think he needs to at least commit himself to Wigan for this year, indeed I was in that same situation when I last changed jobs and told my new employer that they'd have to wait as I needed to see out my contract.

Funny how the first any of us heard of this was after Faz's knee operation...

[Fraggle]

thegimble posted:
If the club are making the deal aginst his will he should say so now and not in a years time when he is out of the door.

Be real, he's not going to criticise his employers. They would be totally unimpressed and they'd find some excuse to get rid of him sooner rather than later.

[Fraggle]

thegimble posted:
Are you so wrapped up in wishin Farrell well that no one has mentioned what Radlinski did. Maybe he has enough money and does not need more and is happy with what he has. As Meat Loaf once said "enough is enough".

Rads doesn't have a big family to support. Whilst it's obviously Faz's decision to have a house full of kids, Rads is AFAIK single with no dependants. Faz's financially needs are a bit different.