Whelley Warrior wrote:Why spend more if you think you have have a squad capable of getting success.
If you find that you are not getting the success, then you spend in order to improve it.
Simple business logic!
And a poor way to run a professional sports club.
If there is a chance to improve the squad you take it. Otherwise someone else will and before you know it that squad you thought was capable of getting success isn't.
Remember we have always done this. Mike Ford was a very good scrum half but Andy Gregory was better. Apply your simple business logic logic and we would have never signed Andy Gregory and who knows if we would have been as successful.
Replacing good players with better ones if the opportunity arises is (or should be) what we expect to see.
You also don't want to wait until you are not getting success as that in itself represents failure.
If you want to apply some business logic as well, signing top class players generates interest, sponsorship opportunities and puts bums on seats generating revenue.
In short the club should always assume it can improve the squad and never be complacent enough to think it can ever stop trying to do that.
So according to your logic, Celtic in Glasgow should spend millions on a squad of top class Internationals and not play any youngsters from their own Academy when in fact the squad they have is capable of winning at the level they are playing.
The last time Wigan did that and had a team of top Internationals, they won all the trophies but supporters got fed up of watching one sided games, crowds stagnated and the club ended up with debts due to the excessive wage bill which resulted in them having to sell the ground to wipe off the debts.
What Wigan have got at the moment is a squad good enough for the level they are playing and a club run by a good management team.
So according to your logic, Celtic in Glasgow should spend millions on a squad of top class Internationals and not play any youngsters from their own Academy when in fact the squad they have is capable of winning at the level they are playing.
Yes they should as they have now gained automatic entrance into the champions league which is far more lucrative than any domestic competition, do you think they will get to knockout stages with there Academy players ? Ill answer that for you NO !
The last time Wigan did that and had a team of top Internationals, they won all the trophies but supporters got fed up of watching one sided games, crowds stagnated and the club ended up with debts due to the excessive wage bill which resulted in them having to sell the ground to wipe off the debts.
What Wigan have got at the moment is a squad good enough for the level they are playing and a club run by a good management team.
Seems to me you are happy just to tag along and be a happy clapper with very little ambition to see Wigan dominate the game for any period of time, With that type of attitude it would only be a matter of time when we all de-camp to St Pats and watch far more competitive games
The game now as a whole is stagnating and dyeing a slow death because of the lack of ambition from a number of key parties in the sport what we dont need is people backing up there ideology, we need Risk takers like Dr k at Salford
Not a happy clapper, just one of the many sensible supporters who does not want to see the club be in the same bad financial situation like the late nighties and if you have not noticed, the club has ambition as proved by the number of trophies won in the last season or so without spending on a squad of top players.
As for Koutash, anyone can shout their mouths off to make people aware of themselves and also do it in a attempt to attract more support for a club he has took over.
I seemed to remember a certain Maurice Lindsay doing the same when he and the gang of four took over our club when it too was in a poor state like Salford.
Mike wrote:Celtics ambtions lie in the Champions League. So yes, they should aim high and improve their team.
Crowds did stagnate when we were successfull - i.e. they remained at very high levels.
But started to drop with some starting to watch the Latic's who were doing well at the time.
In fact, when we moved to the DW, many older supporters stopped watching the club in protest at the sale of Central Park and this was reflected in the attendances at the DW in the early naughties.
As for Celtic, they have a dilemma, do they have a all star team for the Champions League or a squad just good enough to have success at the level they are playing.
Whelley Warrior wrote:Why spend more if you think you have have a squad capable of getting success.
If you find that you are not getting the success, then you spend in order to improve it.
Simple business logic!
And a poor way to run a professional sports club.
If there is a chance to improve the squad you take it. Otherwise someone else will and before you know it that squad you thought was capable of getting success isn't.
Remember we have always done this. Mike Ford was a very good scrum half but Andy Gregory was better. Apply your simple business logic logic and we would have never signed Andy Gregory and who knows if we would have been as successful.
Replacing good players with better ones if the opportunity arises is (or should be) what we expect to see.
You also don't want to wait until you are not getting success as that in itself represents failure.
If you want to apply some business logic as well, signing top class players generates interest, sponsorship opportunities and puts bums on seats generating revenue.
In short the club should always assume it can improve the squad and never be complacent enough to think it can ever stop trying to do that.
So according to your logic, Celtic in Glasgow should spend millions on a squad of top class Internationals and not play any youngsters from their own Academy when in fact the squad they have is capable of winning at the level they are playing.
That is not what I said at all.
The last time Wigan did that and had a team of top Internationals, they won all the trophies but supporters got fed up of watching one sided games, crowds stagnated and the club ended up with debts due to the excessive wage bill which resulted in them having to sell the ground to wipe off the debts.
So that comment above is irrelevant.
What Wigan have got at the moment is a squad good enough for the level they are playing and a club run by a good management team.
DaveO wrote:
And a poor way to run a professional sports club.
If there is a chance to improve the squad you take it. Otherwise someone else will and before you know it that squad you thought was capable of getting success isn't.
Remember we have always done this. Mike Ford was a very good scrum half but Andy Gregory was better. Apply your simple business logic logic and we would have never signed Andy Gregory and who knows if we would have been as successful.
Replacing good players with better ones if the opportunity arises is (or should be) what we expect to see.
You also don't want to wait until you are not getting success as that in itself represents failure.
If you want to apply some business logic as well, signing top class players generates interest, sponsorship opportunities and puts bums on seats generating revenue.
In short the club should always assume it can improve the squad and never be complacent enough to think it can ever stop trying to do that.
So according to your logic, Celtic in Glasgow should spend millions on a squad of top class Internationals and not play any youngsters from their own Academy when in fact the squad they have is capable of winning at the level they are playing.
That is not what I said at all.
The last time Wigan did that and had a team of top Internationals, they won all the trophies but supporters got fed up of watching one sided games, crowds stagnated and the club ended up with debts due to the excessive wage bill which resulted in them having to sell the ground to wipe off the debts.
So that comment above is irrelevant.
What Wigan have got at the moment is a squad good enough for the level they are playing and a club run by a good management team.
There is no such thing as "good enough" in sport.
Never is with some people even when they are successful and winning trophies.
Whelley Warrior wrote:
So according to your logic, Celtic in Glasgow should spend millions on a squad of top class Internationals and not play any youngsters from their own Academy when in fact the squad they have is capable of winning at the level they are playing.
That is not what I said at all.
The last time Wigan did that and had a team of top Internationals, they won all the trophies but supporters got fed up of watching one sided games, crowds stagnated and the club ended up with debts due to the excessive wage bill which resulted in them having to sell the ground to wipe off the debts.
So that comment above is irrelevant.
What Wigan have got at the moment is a squad good enough for the level they are playing and a club run by a good management team.
There is no such thing as "good enough" in sport.
Never is with some people even when they are successful and winning trophies.
The term perpetual moaners springs to mind!
The term clueless just sprung to mine.
When you have to resort to name calling (yet again) as opposed to answering the points in a persons post it is time to admit you are wrong (yet again).
Wigan crowds rose progressively as they signed lots of big name players, played fantastic RL. The crowds dropped from the double changeover from winter to summer year and the departure rather than signing of big name players, internal / external power stuggles between Robinson / Whelan and the end of CP.
The history of Wigan RL has never been an either / or. It has been a combination of big name signings from union/overseas and home grown products. The big name signing have always been the big sell; look at Billy Bostons debut in a reserve match as a classic example.
DaveO wrote:
That is not what I said at all.
So that comment above is irrelevant.
There is no such thing as "good enough" in sport.
Never is with some people even when they are successful and winning trophies.
The term perpetual moaners springs to mind!
The term clueless just sprung to mine.
When you have to resort to name calling (yet again) as opposed to answering the points in a persons post it is time to admit you are wrong (yet again).
What name calling, only said that some people are perpetual moaners and are never satisfied even when we are successful.
