Williams and interceptions?

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I agree, when George runs along the line he's rarely given options by his team mates. We don't seem to have many players running angles (or backing up when somebody makes a break). I assume that this is part of our 'defence first' approach but would be happy to hear the comments from those who understand the game better than me.
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southportcdm wrote:I agree, when George runs along the line he's rarely given options by his team mates. We don't seem to have many players running angles (or backing up when somebody makes a break). I assume that this is part of our 'defence first' approach but would be happy to hear the comments from those who understand the game better than me.
I think brings us back to the problem that George is probably being asked to be a player he isn't. Both Wane and Bennett alluded to the fact that George doesn't talk enough, he is not a organising half back and i don't think there is any need to turn him into one either. The problem is that Tommy L doesn't compliment George in terms of providing a that talking platform

Most the time when george runs the line he is doing instinctively which means his option runners don't really know what he is doing because george is playing whats infront of him, which is what he is best at.

Really you could ideally do with a 7 calling the play and what option runners he wants then using george as 2nd or 3rd reciever once the play has opened up a bit and then he can play the pass or the option or run. George at first reciever means the play breaks down because he doesnt call what he is going to do he just does it, but he has enough talent to make it work. Players around him know to be waiting so they will provide options once they see where he is going but George sees the game faster than others.


What we needed IMO was a better version of Matty Smith and Tommy L isn't that, he is a better player but a different kind of player certainly not an organising 7.

Modern teams do tend to play split haves but i don't think its a one size fits all, personally i think George could be more effective (not that he isn't) if given a bit more room to work in. Lockers provides this when he plays because he often takes first receiver
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GW is leading the league on try assists. In front of Luke Gale and despite the fact that Cas have scored 21 more try's than we have.

He must be doing something right
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i'm spartacus wrote:GW is leading the league on try assists. In front of Luke Gale and despite the fact that Cas have scored 21 more try's than we have.

He must be doing something right
He is - it's not a slight on Williams at all - I personally just think a good 7 would allow him to be even better - again not a dig at tommy but I don't think tommy has ever been a traditional 7
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How many passes has George actually had intercepted?
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Wiganer Ted wrote:How many passes has George actually had intercepted?
I can't think of one this year. I think it's great that he takes chances, although it can be frustrating at times and heart stopping at other times, it's also entertaining and often successful. But, he has to have more sense of game awareness. A drop goal or repeat set also wins us the game on Monday so the risky play at that stage wasn't the right call. He'd gotten away with it on the try, but the game wasn't quite won yet, why he threw the one in the last set is baffling and he needs to learn when not to take risks.
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The marginal balls are the ones which are likeliest to find the gap. It requires vision and timing, and George has that naturally. And will get better. Andy greg often threw passes so close to the opposition you constantly wondered how they weren't intercepted. If they are that close the defence cannot react.

As to Leuluai, I think he is going just fine. We have won the World Club Challenge and are in the top 4, despite the effects of that and our cautious approach to injuries. We are far easier on the eye. I think the issue is not Tommy so much as Escare's erratic passing game, and the constant changes in personnel on the right flank. I much prefer him to Smith.
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Exiled Wiganer wrote:The marginal balls are the ones which are likeliest to find the gap. It requires vision and timing, and George has that naturally. And will get better. Andy greg often threw passes so close to the opposition you constantly wondered how they weren't intercepted. If they are that close the defence cannot react.

As to Leuluai, I think he is going just fine. We have won the World Club Challenge and are in the top 4, despite the effects of that and our cautious approach to injuries. We are far easier on the eye. I think the issue is not Tommy so much as Escare's erratic passing game, and the constant changes in personnel on the right flank. I much prefer him to Smith.
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Maybe I haven't been watching closely enough, but the sense I had on the right was that the moves break down frequently because of the players outside Tommy. I assumed (lazily) that Escare would be one of those. Lovely lad, and great asset, but not a great passer.
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Exiled Wiganer wrote:Maybe I haven't been watching closely enough, but the sense I had on the right was that the moves break down frequently because of the players outside Tommy. I assumed (lazily) that Escare would be one of those. Lovely lad, and great asset, but not a great passer.

More likely breaking down on the right and on the flanks at times because of the continuous disruption in our centres, due to all the changes and disruptions caused by the injuries. Not really noticed that Escare has a defective passing game ?
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