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We will win the GF!

TrueBlueWarrior wrote:We will win the GF!

I'll second that...... we gotta play all available players in correct positions though imo

adiddy wrote:I don't watch Wigan just because we win things, I watch Wigan because they are my team and I enjoy watching and supporting rugby league. I enjoy watching Wigan win trophies but I don't expect us to win everything every season, that is not the catalyst behind my support. If we win nothing else this season it won't and doesn't really matter as I'll enjoy watching my team win or lose and continue to be excited by seeing some excellent youngsters being blooded and thinking what these boys will achieve with this club in the near future. I will also look forward to getting the experienced players back on the field to be able to see what a near to full strength team can actually do against the rest of the league.


Matt

. Thank goodness we're seeing some common sense again.

adiddy wrote:I don't watch Wigan just because we win things, I watch Wigan because they are my team and I enjoy watching and supporting rugby league. I enjoy watching Wigan win trophies but I don't expect us to win everything every season, that is not the catalyst behind my support. If we win nothing else this season it won't and doesn't really matter as I'll enjoy watching my team win or lose and continue to be excited by seeing some excellent youngsters being blooded and thinking what these boys will achieve with this club in the near future. I will also look forward to getting the experienced players back on the field to be able to see what a near to full strength team can actually do against the rest of the league.


Matt

Pretty much sums it up perfectly for me too. Can't make my mind up about challenge cup - can Dire continue to be as bad as they've been thus far? - certainly be surprised if we don't get to Old Trafford though

jao711 wrote:

adiddy wrote:I don't watch Wigan just because we win things, I watch Wigan because they are my team and I enjoy watching and supporting rugby league. I enjoy watching Wigan win trophies but I don't expect us to win everything every season, that is not the catalyst behind my support. If we win nothing else this season it won't and doesn't really matter as I'll enjoy watching my team win or lose and continue to be excited by seeing some excellent youngsters being blooded and thinking what these boys will achieve with this club in the near future. I will also look forward to getting the experienced players back on the field to be able to see what a near to full strength team can actually do against the rest of the league.


Matt

. Thank goodness we're seeing some common sense again.

What they both said ????

We had 3 generations there on Monday, with the oldest one having watched Davies' great grandad play in the 1930s. Nothing gives me greater pleasure than seeing the joy on my children's faces, simply to watch Wigan. We could not imagine not watching them however things go.

It is still possible to raise concerns about the back room staff and medical culture while being unconditional fans. My father briefly worked with Wigan in the later Noble era, having worked with Saints the previous year. He noted that the work ethic and drive to get on the field at the 2 clubs could not have been further apart (and not favourably for us). When you see Bateman sitting out 8 games for attacking a fellow player, and Sam missing over half a season for an injury while drunk, while innumerable players cry off for any reason and don't return forever, these suggest a culture which needs addressing. Mourinho points to players who move heaven and earth to get back on the pitch. We have seen Edwards with his broken jaw, Bell with any number of injuries, Ellery with his pulled hamstring all putting their bodies on the line for the cause.We now get updates on how players are loving their time in the gym as return dates get pushed back further and further.

It is possible to support in all weathers decade after decade, and raise concerns as to the discipline, medical support and soft culture in the club.

Exiled Wiganer wrote:We had 3 generations there on Monday, with the oldest one having watched Davies' great grandad play in the 1930s. Nothing gives me greater pleasure than seeing the joy on my children's faces, simply to watch Wigan. We could not imagine not watching them however things go.

It is still possible to raise concerns about the back room staff and medical culture while being unconditional fans. My father briefly worked with Wigan in the later Noble era, having worked with Saints the previous year. He noted that the work ethic and drive to get on the field at the 2 clubs could not have been further apart (and not favourably for us). When you see Bateman sitting out 8 games for attacking a fellow player, and Sam missing over half a season for an injury while drunk, while innumerable players cry off for any reason and don't return forever, these suggest a culture which needs addressing. Mourinho points to players who move heaven and earth to get back on the pitch. We have seen Edwards with his broken jaw, Bell with any number of injuries, Ellery with his pulled hamstring all putting their bodies on the line for the cause.We now get updates on how players are loving their time in the gym as return dates get pushed back further and further.

It is possible to support in all weathers decade after decade, and raise concerns as to the discipline, medical support and soft culture in the club.

No wonder we are not GF winners and WCC holders!!

We are both of those through excellent player development and having a brilliant squad. Which we have had in the past as well. There are many great things about the club, and Wane is responsible for many of them. It is possible to look at our injuries since 2013 as one of those things and swings and roundabouts, just as it is possible to consider whether no stone is left unturned by players and club to get a competitive team on the field.
Once we get to game day, we are superb, but there is simply no way 4th and 5th choice players can compete in this league.

The old argument about whether we get so many injuries because the DW pitch isn't good/safe enough might carry some weight if Wakeys injuries on Monday are anything to go by. That doesn't of course explain why Cas are largely injury free and yet we pick up 2 season ending injuries at the Jungle to go with Manfredis at the end of last season.

adiddy wrote:I don't watch Wigan just because we win things, I watch Wigan because they are my team and I enjoy watching and supporting rugby league. I enjoy watching Wigan win trophies but I don't expect us to win everything every season, that is not the catalyst behind my support. If we win nothing else this season it won't and doesn't really matter as I'll enjoy watching my team win or lose and continue to be excited by seeing some excellent youngsters being blooded and thinking what these boys will achieve with this club in the near future. I will also look forward to getting the experienced players back on the field to be able to see what a near to full strength team can actually do against the rest of the league.


Matt

Can you name anyone who does watch Wigan simply to see them win things? I can't think of anyone who does or who expects to win something every year.

That is not the same as looking at the team on paper in any given season and thinking given the opposition we ought to be contesting the finals. That is just an opinion based on what people see as the potential of the team and capabilities of the opposition. So when the team falls short of this expectation people voice their opinions.

That said even with the best team on paper it is all essentially knockout rugby which means on the day anything can happen so ultimately only watching Wigan in order to see them win things takes no account of circumstances beyond control. And that includes injuries.

The bottom line is this though. Regardless of winning a trophy or not, I defy anyone including yourself to be enjoying watching the excuse for RL Wigan are serving up at the moment.

I cannot recall a sequence of matches where I have seen Wigan play as badly since before 1980 and I include 2006 in this.

I am one of those who constantly argues the league games are important because as a season ticket holder I will see a lot more of them than I will a final (if we get to one) and I expect to enjoy going to these games, not watching poor play week in, week out. I really do not like the opinion some have that so long as we win the GF the fact numerous games in the regular season where downright poor doesn't matter. They do and I think we are being short changed to a huge degree despite the injuries.

If we went all season battering teams playing great RL then lost in the GF of course I'd be mad but I would have had the enjoyment of all the excellent play gone before. We are not seeing any of this and so are already reduced to hoping we can hang on to leave us with enough of a chance for a top four place and the chance the season will end up coming down to a GF.

For some this enough. Not for me. I expect to be entertained and seeing young lads have the confidence knocked out of them doesn't cut it.