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DaveO wrote:

No straw damn us wrote:I wonder what parallel universe some people live in?
Read Jason Robinsons book. What about Gary "lager" Connolly, Andy Gregory, Sean Long etc etc etc. Why was Brett Dallas not at the Wigan shirt presentation in Sydney!!
What about Joe Lydon?

And it's not just at Wigan, I remember seeing two Great britain internationals rolling in the gutter in Sydney when on tour in 1992. The Tomkins brothers were totally out of order and should pay for their misdemeanors but lets not pretend it's a one way street.

The "parallel universe" I live in is one where in other sports, such as swimming and athletics the athletes are disciplined enough not to go and get plastered and in most cases even drink at all. The fact Connelly drank like a fish etc is neither here nor there.

RL and Wigan in particular like to present the good clean image while at the same time the reality is different. It's not much use Rads slagging off the Tomkins brothers for not being role models if the club doesn't insist that they behave as role models in the first place. And before you say the club can't do that, most employers these days seeing you being such a tit croppiong up on social media outside of work as something that can constitute grounds for disciplinary action. My employer would not be keen shoving me in front of customers if there were a video doing the rounds of me behaving like that. Just the way it is in the age of social media. Bad behaviour from past players in the 80's and 90's was immune from such scrutiny. They could well have had very different careers were the subjected to the same back then.

What evidence do you have Dave that Wigan players are getting ratted" on a regular occasion? Have you seen them?

Do you not go on facebook or twitter?

medlocke wrote:

chrisjjonesy wrote:Everyone also seems to have forgotten that Bateman bottled Mossop on a night out. 'The Wigan Way' continues

No he didn't

fozzieskem wrote:

medlocke wrote:

chrisjjonesy wrote:Everyone also seems to have forgotten that Bateman bottled Mossop on a night out. 'The Wigan Way' continues

No he didn't

didnt the club fine and ban him?

medlocke wrote:

fozzieskem wrote:

medlocke wrote:No he didn't

didnt the club fine and ban him?

IIRC he didn't actually bottle him or at least that's what many of the experts on here claimed

Flash wrote:

DaveO wrote:

No straw damn us wrote:I wonder what parallel universe some people live in?
Read Jason Robinsons book. What about Gary "lager" Connolly, Andy Gregory, Sean Long etc etc etc. Why was Brett Dallas not at the Wigan shirt presentation in Sydney!!
What about Joe Lydon?

And it's not just at Wigan, I remember seeing two Great britain internationals rolling in the gutter in Sydney when on tour in 1992. The Tomkins brothers were totally out of order and should pay for their misdemeanors but lets not pretend it's a one way street.

The "parallel universe" I live in is one where in other sports, such as swimming and athletics the athletes are disciplined enough not to go and get plastered and in most cases even drink at all. The fact Connelly drank like a fish etc is neither here nor there.

RL and Wigan in particular like to present the good clean image while at the same time the reality is different. It's not much use Rads slagging off the Tomkins brothers for not being role models if the club doesn't insist that they behave as role models in the first place. And before you say the club can't do that, most employers these days seeing you being such a tit croppiong up on social media outside of work as something that can constitute grounds for disciplinary action. My employer would not be keen shoving me in front of customers if there were a video doing the rounds of me behaving like that. Just the way it is in the age of social media. Bad behaviour from past players in the 80's and 90's was immune from such scrutiny. They could well have had very different careers were the subjected to the same back then.

What evidence do you have Dave that Wigan players are getting ratted" on a regular occasion? Have you seen them?

Do you not go on facebook or twitter?

Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson, Dwayne Chambers, a million and one Russian, Chinese and Eastern block athletes, Erik Morales, Lucas Browne, Anthony Joshua, Diego Maradonna, Tony Adams, Adrian Mutu, The whole of the Dutch national side circa 2001...

Shall I go on?

moto748 wrote:That's all true, Flash, and as someone who would like to see a much clearer distinction drawn between performance-enhancing and non-PE drug use (in some cases I think the indiscriminate use of terms like "drugs cheat" is deliberately muddying the waters), for me, it has left the worst affected sports, like athletics and cycling, barely worth taking seriously.

At least in our sport we can console ourselves than match results aren't 'fixed' by drug use and the criminal gangs behind it. Which, of course, is not to say we shouldn't be vigilant.

Flash wrote:And there's me thinking you posted: "The "parallel universe" I live in is one where in other sports, such as swimming and athletics the athletes are disciplined enough not to go and get plastered and in most cases even drink at all."

I must be in a parrallel universe where you didn't really post that and the names I listed didn't illustrate that this goes on across all sports, despite your incorrect assertion. In fact, I think I will go on:

George Best, Ricky Hatton, Tiger Woods, Babe Ruth, the aforementioned Andy Gregory, Gary Connolly and Joe Lydon, Bryan Robson.. In fact a good proportion of any football team ever.. Andy Flintoff, the majority of the English Rugby Union Squad, Usain Bolt...

Shall I go on?

I know you hate to accept you're wrong, Dave, but your assertion was so far from the truth that it can only be described as naive. A drinking and drugs culture is endemic, not only across all sports, but across all occupations from entertainment to business.

You mentioned swimming. Google Adam Peaty's recent plea for the sport to do more to root out the drugs culture that plagues that particular sport. As for athletics.. The mind boggles if you think that sport isn't corrupt to the core and absolutely being destroyed by it's ingrained drug abuse!