Forward passes

[Mike]

..but it's impossible to tell a forward pass by watching it on video......

This has got to be the stupidest rule ever imposed. Its probably clearer on video than any other decision a video ref could be asked to make.

It really isn’t.

Well, maybe I exaggerate , but you have multiple angles, pitch markings, grass cutlines and often overhead views ( in bigger games admittedly). Otherwise, no- one can ever really say that they've a forward pass on the telly, which is obviously rubbish...

Should be easy enough with modern player and ball tracking to do it live, or at least as a hawk-eye style challenge. All you have to judge is if the ball is travelling forward slower than the player who passed it at the moment of release. If it is, or is travelling at an equal speed forward then its not a forward pass.

[Mike]

The issue is how you judge momentum? It’s very subjective.

I’d rather they don’t rule forward passes on the video ref - it will end up like football with the VAR which has done more harm than good.

forget momentum forward is forward.The lines dont lie.Just watch were the ball( not player is) when its released and were it’s caught in conjunction with the lines.Its always a big give away

A big give away whether the ball travelled forwards relative to the ground, but nothing to do with whether its a "forward pass" in RL though.

[Firestarter]

The issue is how you judge momentum? It’s very subjective.

I’d rather they don’t rule forward passes on the video ref - it will end up like football with the VAR which has done more harm than good.

forget momentum forward is forward.The lines dont lie.Just watch were the ball( not player is) when its released and were it’s caught in conjunction with the lines.Its always a big give away

A big give away whether the ball travelled forwards relative to the ground, but nothing to do with whether its a "forward pass" in RL though.

Forward is forward no point complicating such a simple thing.Granted they are gonna get some wrong but the overhead view would clear some up at least

[Wigan_forever1985]

forget momentum forward is forward.The lines dont lie.Just watch were the ball( not player is) when its released and were it’s caught in conjunction with the lines.Its always a big give away

A big give away whether the ball travelled forwards relative to the ground, but nothing to do with whether its a "forward pass" in RL though.

Forward is forward no point complicating such a simple thing.Granted they are gonna get some wrong but the overhead view would clear some up at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Mm98FZ4_k so the pass at 1:07 you'd rule forward?

The problem is while a pass from a static point (i.e from the ruck) is fine to be judged that way you have to take into account the law of relative motion of a player running at 10-15mph because to even get the ball to stand still relative to the ground you would have to throw the ball 15mph direct backwards

So basically you can pass a ball backward and it travel forward

this is an excellent video to show why you can't simply use the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

[benjamaphone]

this is an excellent video to show why you can't simply use the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

Great video, thanks for sharing

[craigo]

When a team gets away with throwing a forward pass early in a set, Another tends to follow.

[Firestarter]

A big give away whether the ball travelled forwards relative to the ground, but nothing to do with whether its a "forward pass" in RL though.

Forward is forward no point complicating such a simple thing.Granted they are gonna get some wrong but the overhead view would clear some up at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Mm98FZ4_k so the pass at 1:07 you'd rule forward?

The problem is while a pass from a static point (i.e from the ruck) is fine to be judged that way you have to take into account the law of relative motion of a player running at 10-15mph because to even get the ball to stand still relative to the ground you would have to throw the ball 15mph direct backwards

So basically you can pass a ball backward and it travel forward

this is an excellent video to show why you can't simply use the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

Thanx for the vid pal.The answer is yes ide rule it forward.The ball is behind the line when thrown and in front when its caught.It isnt a mile forward but forward imo

[Firestarter]

Forward is forward no point complicating such a simple thing.Granted they are gonna get some wrong but the overhead view would clear some up at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Mm98FZ4_k so the pass at 1:07 you'd rule forward?

The problem is while a pass from a static point (i.e from the ruck) is fine to be judged that way you have to take into account the law of relative motion of a player running at 10-15mph because to even get the ball to stand still relative to the ground you would have to throw the ball 15mph direct backwards

So basically you can pass a ball backward and it travel forward

this is an excellent video to show why you can't simply use the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

Thanx for the vid pal.The answer is yes ide rule it forward.The ball is behind the line when thrown and in front when its caught.It isnt a mile forward but forward imo

I apologise i was watching the leeds try v salford then another video appeared

[nathan_rugby]

When a team gets away with throwing a forward pass early in a set, Another tends to follow.

This is just a hunch .

[Shevvylad]

A big give away whether the ball travelled forwards relative to the ground, but nothing to do with whether its a "forward pass" in RL though.

Forward is forward no point complicating such a simple thing.Granted they are gonna get some wrong but the overhead view would clear some up at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Mm98FZ4_k so the pass at 1:07 you'd rule forward?

The problem is while a pass from a static point (i.e from the ruck) is fine to be judged that way you have to take into account the law of relative motion of a player running at 10-15mph because to even get the ball to stand still relative to the ground you would have to throw the ball 15mph direct backwards

So basically you can pass a ball backward and it travel forward

this is an excellent video to show why you can't simply use the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

You're making my point for me !
Nobody is suggestion that you use the ground solely, and the video you have linked to shows exactly how by analysing the video, you can judge whether the ball has gone forward or not.