Lindsay

[Fraggle]

jinkin jimmy posted:
In this more recent era the quality of his sigings has plummeted.

Except they've still mostly been seasoned internationals, Grand Final winners and top try scorers, just the kind of players one would want the Chairman of Wigan to be bringing to the club. So why haven't the likes of Vaealiki, Ainscough, Richards, Calderwood, Higham, Howard and all the rest been able to produce the goods when they came here despite their reputations at previous clubs? I don't think he can be criticised too much for the types of players he's brought in, although it would have been nice to have had the likes of Lyon and Vainokolo at Wigan. Even Orr was once touted as a GB player, difficult to believe though that may be now! The salary cap means that we have to limit who we buy whilst other clubs are now able to match the money we can offer. But something is happening to these players when they get here; perhaps coaching techniques, perhaps fitness problems; perhaps no disciplinary processes in place; perhaps they're getting too much money without having the pressure put on them by the coach and others to perform and justify those salaries... the chairman can't take all the blame for that (although he definitely needs to take some of it).

[MrsLam]

TWO EYED WARRIOR posted:
Come on Mrs Lam. Mo will have had advice from coaches who in turn would have been advised by scouts who where out and about and advising the coach of whos hot and whos not.

That's not what I believe at all. Other coaches wouldn't want to get rid of 'hot' talent so they wouldn't advise him as such. Mo has to be given some credit for going out there, any good that is done is just passed off as someone elses work whereas any bad is blamed soley on him. That's just not a fair interpretation. If he's gonna take the bad, you've got to give him the good too.

[jinkin jimmy]

MrsLam posted:

DaveO posted:
Maurice Lindsay was forever being asked to stand aside by the fans and let the coach pick the sigings despite a pretty good record over the years of doing the signings himself.

He stepped aside this year and even backed Millward over the exit of Newton for Higham.

We are bottom of the league when the coach was the man doing the signings so Mo is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Dave

And that's exactly how I feel.
No matter what he does or doesn't do he'll get the blame. Wigan fans are quick to forget the good people do for this club, other fans don't turn on their own staff half as much as we do. Give him a break will you. He got the coach "everyone wanted" (minus a few on here includin me) he moved aside to let him take over the club and bring us down, he had arguments with Milly because Mo is passionate about Wigan and is a loyal chairman who will stand by this club until he is sacked, by the way if he did resign now would you be as quick to say "o look standing down now were at our worst in seasons" ?
He even budged over to help with the Latics because he couldn't get on with Milly and obviously wasn't enjoying his job as much as he used to, to let the oh so wanted coach do his job on his own just like Wiganers wanted.

And STILL he gets blamed??? Can he do nothing to please you people.

ML had nothing to do with bringing Basil to the club. The prime movers where Farrar and Whelan.

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Kat posted:
He must have some dirt on Whelan for Whelan to have tolerated him for so long!

ive got dirt on whelan! he used to sell cleaning products on the market on a little table before he found fortuens! that is worth laughing about.

[JARJAR]

ML has to go. It doesn't take any knowledge of Rugby League to keep going down under to sign players looking for a good end of career payday (yes we have had 1 or 2 good ones but on the whole nothing to the quality that Bradford,Leeds ,Stains and others have signed).The Aussie agents no doubt rub their hands with glee when they hear ML's on his way over.He just loves being in the limelight but goes to ground when things aren't looking so good.Yes he and the gang of 4 did wonders in the 80's but that was then and we can't keep living on past reputations.If were going down then those at the top level should go.

[damien morrissey]

When i came on this site i was very anti MO, i was incorrect in the opinions i had and by listening to the more knowledgable i have come to this conclusion.

We should congratulate and remember MO for the work he did and the success he brought but we should also remember that he cost us our delapadated but ancestral home by years of poor fanancial management.
He is frendly with DW so wish him well at the Latics and by all means any advice he gives should be at the least listened too.
In this current age with the restrictions set by the RFL he has struggled to change with the times.
In some respect he is a victim of his own success.when he says things like we should begin to get excited and we find ourself bottom of the league then something is wrong.
There are fundimental problems at the club and IMO we cant go and blame DW because he has no say in club affairs over the last few years.We should clear the decks forget our history which i find painful and start fresh. New coach new chairman then it will be much easier to critique the way the club is performing.
There are many contradictions in the post and if i am critcised because of it then fine but it is how i feel we should move on.

[Fraggle]

damien morrissey posted:
When i came on this site i was very anti MO, i was incorrect in the opinions i had and by listening to the more knowledgable i have come to this conclusion.

We should congratulate and remember MO for the work he did and the success he brought but we should also remember that he cost us our delapadated but ancestral home by years of poor fanancial management.
He is frendly with DW so wish him well at the Latics and by all means any advice he gives should be at the least listened too.
In this current age with the restrictions set by the RFL he has struggled to change with the times.
In some respect he is a victim of his own success.when he says things like we should begin to get excited and we find ourself bottom of the league then something is wrong.
There are fundimental problems at the club and IMO we cant go and blame DW because he has no say in club affairs over the last few years.We should clear the decks forget our history which i find painful and start fresh. New coach new chairman then it will be much easier to critique the way the club is performing.
There are many contradictions in the post and if i am critcised because of it then fine but it is how i feel we should move on.

I think that's a pretty fair summary Damian. Our current predicament's not been caused by just one person, Millward had to take some of the blame and his paid the price after making a lot of changes but seemingly taking the club backwards, the players have to take some of the blame and hopefully the club will be reminding them of that, and Maurice has got to take some of the blame for failing to deliver on the promises he made when he returned to the club. He's done a lot of good for the club, we're now financially stable which certainly wasn't the case about 10 years ago and we have had some very good players in these recent years thanks to him, as well as some less than good ones. Just talking to my father about this, he reckons that Phil Clarke might be the next Chairman of Wigan when Maurice does go, he's got experience as an administrator, is well-known and respected within the game, is articulate and is a Wigan lad. I don't think he'd come back whilst Maurice was still here, but would bring some much-needed new ideas to the club.

[DaveO]

TWO EYED WARRIOR posted:

DaveO posted:
Maurice Lindsay was forever being asked to stand aside by the fans and let the coach pick the sigings despite a pretty good record over the years of doing the signings himself.

He stepped aside this year and even backed Millward over the exit of Newton for Higham.

We are bottom of the league when the coach was the man doing the signings so Mo is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Dave

Do you honestly think that Mo would have just gone out and bought players without any consultation with the coach at that time.

It is what he is accused of doing and what he is slagged off for doing whether or not he did or didn't consult the coach.

If he has always consulted the coach why do people crtitise ML's past signings?

There is the famous incident where John Monie wanted to sign Phil Blake but Lindsay went for Frano Botica instead much to Monie's surprise.

Monie was quoted as saying Maurice gives me the players and its my job to coach them or words to that effect.

If this is the case then let mo be the next coach as you are basically saying he is dictating team selection.

No I am not. I am saying prior to Millward people said Mo signed the players and once Millward was here he stood aside and let Millward do it.

He did what was asked of him by the fans and stopped signing the players. He is still being blamed for the current situation despite absolving himself of responsibility for recruitment.

Dave

[DaveO]

damien morrissey posted:
We should congratulate and remember MO for the work he did and the success he brought but we should also remember that he cost us our delapadated but ancestral home by years of poor fanancial management.

But he didn't. He may be partly responsible for the debts Wigen ended up with but it was not his descion to sell CP and it was Jack Robinson who came up with the solution of selling the ground. Dave Whelan offered to do a deal so the club could keep CP but Robinson still sold to Tesco.

He is frendly with DW so wish him well at the Latics and by all means any advice he gives should be at the least listened too.
In this current age with the restrictions set by the RFL he has struggled to change with the times.

If you mean working in the salary cap he has still brought great players to the club including Adrian Lam who seems favourite for the new coach position.

Players like Criag Smith, Farrell, Radlinski, Lam Dallas, Carney and Newton were all in the team at the same time under Mo's rule. Not sure if Renouf played with all of that lot but the club has got to as many GF's as any other side but unfortunately failed to win them bar one.

In some respect he is a victim of his own success.when he says things like we should begin to get excited and we find ourself bottom of the league then something is wrong.
There are fundimental problems at the club and IMO we cant go and blame DW because he has no say in club affairs over the last few years.We should clear the decks forget our history which i find painful and start fresh. New coach new chairman then it will be much easier to critique the way the club is performing.

I agree Mo is unwise to say things like get excited etc but DW certainly had a hand in Millwards appointment and I think he did in his departure.

Dave

[Stan Doff]

The "famous incident" is obviously not famous enough...
It was not Mo who bought Frano not was Robinson!
He went against Monies choice of Blake and fell lucky with Bots.
He then tried his luck with Union again and Inga came to us. As much as I hate him for what he did Both of them were down to him.

What ever way people dress it up the situation that brought about the loss of Central Park was in no small part down to Mo and his style of "negotiating" with players and coaches.
To deny his invovement is plain stupidity.