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NTA1 posted:
Doveoverdave - you need to go to specsavers. Lockers is absolutely useless. He gave more penalties away than anyone at Cas on Friday. Ged rid of him to Batley!

Judge him by whatever means you want.

Go to watch him, watch the TV coverage or just read the stats book, have it which way you want he is the no. 1 player at the club. To call him "absolutely useless" is a ridiculous statement.

First Try Tickle posted:
If you check out the league table you'll find that we have only scored 40 points less than salford and they're in 5th spot.This is 3 points per game...not even a try.

Unfortunatly weve conceded twice as many as them.

But my point is that Half backs are not known for thier defence, look at Long, Deacon and Robinson and Moran does try hard.

Where were going wrong is the forwards just cannot tackle and are just to lazy.

But people only look at attack and put the blame on the scrum half.

So is it all his fault or is it the fault of the forwards, including Lockers who for me is having a shocker, but never gets a mention.

I still say there needs to be more focus on the attack. Those points are important, as is the fact that we get possession again if we do score. Instead we're attacking, make an utter balls-up of things, giving possession back to the other team, conceeding a penalty for being offside/not standing square/hands in the tackle/KK hasn't blown his whistle for 30 seconds, give them another set of 6, they score and get possession back again. Our poor attack means we're giving the opposition far too much possession and that's putting pressure on all the defence. Yes, our defence is woeful, but if we didn't have to do as much defending then we wouldn't be conceeding so many points.

I'd like to know what our completion rate is like this season, I would bet it's barely above about 45%, thanks to bad handling, silly penalties, kicks on the 2nd tackle, dodgy forward passes and interceptions. If we can't keep hold of the ball and at least get the ball deep in the opposition half at the end of a set of 6 then we're always going to be up against it. For that, the scrum-half, stand-off, and all the other players need to take responsibility.

NTA1 posted:
Doveoverdave - you need to go to specsavers. Lockers is absolutely useless. He gave more penalties away than anyone at Cas on Friday. Ged rid of him to Batley!

My friend you are entitled to your opinion but don't be surprised if people read your drivel and think you know nothing about the game. As DOD says, Lockers is our only top quality forward. His pack mates should be embarrassed by the effort he puts in every game for the full 80 minutes. Agreed, he is giving penalties away but again DOD is correct in citing fatigue as the reason.

IMO criticism of this player is bordering on the disgraceful, especially when we have other forwards earning a fortune and giving us nothing in return. Jerry Seu Seu on £150K! This in itself is an insult to Lockers.

Other forwards arent conceding penalties. That's because they aren't doing anything at all.

Lockers' contract is up at the end of this season. Don't be surprised to see him leaving to join a team whose players - and supporters - better appreciate his talents.

Rant over.

First Try Tickle posted:
If you check out the league table you'll find that we have only scored 40 points less than salford and they're in 5th spot.This is 3 points per game...not even a try.

Unfortunatly weve conceded twice as many as them.

But my point is that Half backs are not known for thier defence, look at Long, Deacon and Robinson and Moran does try hard.

Where were going wrong is the forwards just cannot tackle and are just to lazy.

But people only look at attack and put the blame on the scrum half.

So is it all his fault or is it the fault of the forwards, including Lockers who for me is having a shocker, but never gets a mention.

how about you stop poining the figner at people and look at the guy in your name. tickle has had a shocker. his season has been disgusting, he is average at best. lockers has been our best tackler this season and you only need to look at the stats to prove this. it's not all moran's fault. he isnt creating anything at the halves but it's not his fault half the team misses tackles on every set of 6.

I'd agree about Tickle he has been shocking this year. It is not all Moran's fault, because it is the other players in the squad that also need to be taking more responsibility, and also, need to be pulling their weight more than they are doing at the momoent.

The only players excluded are Higham, Godwin, Feka, and Calderwood. The rest of them belong in the scrap yard.

I know they're often put under the tag of the 'negative posters', but Jinkin' Jimmy and Doveoverdave seem to be the only ones talking sense in this topic.

Sean O' is probably the only world class player amongst our ranks at this point (although I still feel Fletcher is vital to our cause this season), so why slate him? He gives 100% commitment in every single game, and sadly I can't say that for any other player in the team with the exception of maybe Goulding. Sean O' runs in like a 2nd rower, sometimes he makes 3 or 4 runs in a set, he creates tries like a half-back and also makes decent breaks and has a fine kicking game. Anyone who questions his talent or his commitment is wrong, simple as that.

In answer to the threads original question, no it isn't all Moran's fault, but I would say he was a bigger culprit than anyone because of his failure to be effective in his vital position.

lockers had apoor game on fri by his standards but to make anything more of this than a bad game is rubbish

I thought lockers had signed a new contract?

WiganWarrior posted:
I thought lockers had signed a new contract?

If he has, it hasn't been made public yet.

In the four years i have been watching wigan, the only thing i have ever seen tickle do is kick goals, I have never seen him do much else other than that. Fletcher is not fit but at least he is actually trying, he almost died of his illness so he is lucky to be playing rugby :exc: :exc: