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adrenalinxx posted:

Fraggle posted:
So do I, but I'd rather pay to watch us in Superleague rather than NL1 if running the ball were to cost us points and get us relegated! Plenty of time to watch rugby when we're not in danger of the drop.

Kicking for goal at every possible oppotunity really annoys me and even said that if Wigan went for another goal I would start booing them because it can get out of control, when do thet stop going for goal after 1 attempt, 2 attempts, 3 attempts, I don't want to go to the JJB and see Wigan kick penalty goal every time they get in the opposition half.

What if Wigan had lost by 4 points, would taking the 2 against 12 men been such a good idea.

When Wire beat us at the JJB didn't Briers have several drop goals to his credit? They could have run the ball instead of going for the drop but each time the scoreboard got a notch on it, they got the ball back, the clock ran down and we didn't have possession.

Its the same idea with the penalties. It's a tactic and a judgement call when to kick for goal or touch.

I thought it worked out well while actually at the game (not with hindsight) because when we did get our first try we were already 4-0 up so we went to 10-0. They needed two converted tries to get past us and 10-0 at that time in the game was a good return on the possession we had I thought.

Dave

DaveO posted:
When Wire beat us at the JJB didn't Briers have several drop goals to his credit? They could have run the ball instead of going for the drop but each time the scoreboard got a notch on it, they got the ball back, the clock ran down and we didn't have posession.

It depends how well you are playing. If you're defending well then there is no problem with taking the two or attempting a drop goal. However, if you're making mistakes you will prefer field position because you tend to make the most mistakes when the ball is in your own half.

Wigan Watcher posted:

adrenalinxx posted:

Wigan Watcher posted:
Like its been said, its not how we win at the moment.

Easy to say when you have won, a lot more difficult when you have lost

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Its easy to say that it doesn't matter how Wigan win when they are actually winning but if they are losing you have to look at the decisions and tactics used and would going for goal always be a good tactics if wigan lost by 4 points.

adrenalinxx posted:

Wigan Watcher posted:

adrenalinxx posted: Easy to say when you have won, a lot more difficult when you have lost

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Its easy to say that it doesn't matter how Wigan win when they are actually winning but if they are losing you have to look at the decisions and tactics used and would going for goal always be a good tactics if wigan lost by 4 points.

But at the time you have to make the decision, the team hasn't won or lost, they've got to make the decision based on the state of play at that time. As I said, I think they got it wrong at the end of the game, the penalty should have been tapped because we were well in-front and missing 2 points then wasn't likely to cost us. But early in the game things were much closer and any easy points were worth taking, rather than taking chances on getting more points.

adrenalinxx posted:

Wigan Watcher posted:

adrenalinxx posted: Easy to say when you have won, a lot more difficult when you have lost

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Its easy to say that it doesn't matter how Wigan win when they are actually winning but if they are losing you have to look at the decisions and tactics used and would going for goal always be a good tactics if wigan lost by 4 points.

But we didn't lose. We haven't done for 4 games now and we haven't lost by a tight margin for even longer.

When we lose a game by 1 score then questioning going for goal or not will be a valid discussion topic but at the moment we haven't so it isn't!!

End off!

Fraggle posted:

adrenalinxx posted:

Wigan Watcher posted: ???????????????

Its easy to say that it doesn't matter how Wigan win when they are actually winning but if they are losing you have to look at the decisions and tactics used and would going for goal always be a good tactics if wigan lost by 4 points.

But at the time you have to make the decision, the team hasn't won or lost, they've got to make the decision based on the state of play at that time. As I said, I think they got it wrong at the end of the game, the penalty should have been tapped because we were well in-front and missing 2 points then wasn't likely to cost us. But early in the game things were much closer and any easy points were worth taking, rather than taking chances on getting more points.

Another factor though, in that late penalty kick, was that wakey were getting pretty rough at that stage - it not only calmed things down, but gave less chances of picking up an injury (or getting drawn into a fight and picking up a ban).

wgnwrs posted:
Was Harlequisn24-26 Wigan not a tight margin score for you?

See that is when 2 points is need not at 0-0.

If Wigan continue to kick goals everytime they get into the opposition half then they could end up losing a possible 4 points and other teams won't be so easy to beat. Wigan need to win as many match as possible and no matter how well wigan play there are some team we won't beat just by kicking goals.

adrenalinxx posted:

Wigan Watcher posted:

adrenalinxx posted: Easy to say when you have won, a lot more difficult when you have lost

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Its easy to say that it doesn't matter how Wigan win when they are actually winning but if they are losing you have to look at the decisions and tactics used and would going for goal always be a good tactics if wigan lost by 4 points.

Lets not carried away with the go for goal or not .
Wigan in there heyday went for EVERY SHOT at goal that was available .
1 it puts points on the board in a tight game they come in handy.
2 we get the ball back

adrenalinxx posted:

wgnwrs posted:
Was Harlequisn24-26 Wigan not a tight margin score for you?

See that is when 2 points is need not at 0-0.

If Wigan continue to kick goals everytime they get into the opposition half then they could end up losing a possible 4 points and other teams won't be so easy to beat. Wigan need to win as many match as possible and no matter how well wigan play there are some team we won't beat just by kicking goals.

Well, if we're getting penalties and kicking goals, the other team have not got possession, and if they don't have the ball they can't possibly score against us. It's worked for Lee Briers and Paul Deacon, and it's not as if we're kicking every penalty. I still say it's better to go for a sure thing rather than a gamble when we're in as desperate need of points as we are at the moment.

Of course, the biggest answer to this argument is the name Kevin Sinfield - I'm sure he still wishes he'd taken the two....!

jaws1 posted:

adrenalinxx posted:

Wigan Watcher posted: ???????????????

Its easy to say that it doesn't matter how Wigan win when they are actually winning but if they are losing you have to look at the decisions and tactics used and would going for goal always be a good tactics if wigan lost by 4 points.

Lets not carried away with the go for goal or not .
Wigan in there heyday went for EVERY SHOT at goal that was available .
1 it puts points on the board in a tight game they come in handy.
2 we get the ball back

I agree,we ALWAYS took an easy two points.