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Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:19 pm
by Fujiman
thegimble posted:
If you run a business and an owner of the said business then the responsibility lies with the man at the top.

Whealen appoited MO.

Whealen owns the club.

The buck stop s there.

Do the decent thing DW sack MO on your way out. When we go down to the lower division i bet youll let us rot.
Be careful what you wish for it may come true. In any sport these days money talks and without it your stuffed.

Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:23 pm
by Wigan Watcher
Sutty posted:
If he worked directly for JJB Sports or any other large company and he overspent their budget by £80,000 he would be sacked for gross misconduct. I know large sporting teams are slightly different due to differences in ownership and sponsorship. I agree that he has done more than anyone for the good of this club, however, Like Fraggle and Flash have said, maybe his best days are behind him.
If Whelan could find someone with the knowledge and vision that we need they can have the job. We need someone who is passionate about Wigan RLFC and someone who has the same fire in their belly that Lindsay had 20 years ago.
20 years ago when our glory days first started (for the current generation of fan) we bought our way back into the top flight because there was no salary cap then. It was a lot easier to go out and buy the star players and in effect buy our success. Now though we are having to work within the confines of a salary cap that IMO is far too small to allow the larger clubs in Superleague expand and develop. In NL1 with a salary cap of £400k It is going to be a lot harder and take a lot longer than before to get back to the top of the top flight.
Whilst I don't particularly like the way that Wigan Watcher constantly predicts nothing but doom and gloom and almost laughs in the face (IMO) of people who are confident we will stay up, I think he has a point in calling for Lindsay to resign, although I have a few reservations about the way his is going about it.

I would guess you would have thought a response would result in your comments and you would be correct.

I will tell you your comments are completely wrong regarding myself.

I would not laugh or have laughed in anyone’s face that is not my style. I respect everyone’s views and respond accordingly. I have strong views on most things in life and always speak my mind. Having strong opinions on matters can sometimes be taken the wrong way and I fully understand that is the case sometimes but this must not stop people having strong opinions at anytime.
Self diagnose does not benefit anyone really so I will not continue.

My postings are to bring about debate, sometimes heated sometimes other, I make no apologies for stirring emotions in fellow forum members. But I will always respect everyone.

What I will say if I offend anyone I will apologise without question.

I hope you accept my response as it is said with hand on heart.

Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:25 pm
by ancientnloyal
Flash posted:
There are rumours he looks good in a thong! :lol:
I knew I shouldn't have started anything about Maurice and a thong.

Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:26 pm
by thegimble
Fujiman posted:
thegimble posted:
If you run a business and an owner of the said business then the responsibility lies with the man at the top.

Whealen appoited MO.

Whealen owns the club.

The buck stop s there.

Do the decent thing DW sack MO on your way out. When we go down to the lower division i bet youll let us rot.
Be careful what you wish for it may come true. In any sport these days money talks and without it your stuffed.
I can see it happen not wishing it mate.

MO needs sacking now. Also what part did Davico play in all this (not his fault i know) Also how long did we pay Faz for. He said he was leaving in June but i do think we paid him up until that time knowingly he was not coming back.

These 2 things have caused us a real chance of going down now. Davico i can understand but surely Faz could have resigned from the club and stopped this immediately.

In the end it ciomes down to the main 2 men.

Were lucky we have incredible spirit within not just the team but the supporters as well. Even if we do go i will still travel 2 hours to Wigan to watch them play.

We have the worst executive in any sport but were lucky we have the best coach in the world.

Its down to the players again to bail us out. They need us as never before. I was that pissed off i would not come again. But against the Giants ill be there just as we all will be.

Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:44 pm
by Fujiman
Fujiman posted:
Wigan Watcher posted:
The phoenix Club getting stronger.

I heard about this salary cap situation many weeks ago and thought no it can’t be true. I remember having a debate with Flash and saying I will stick with my decision that we will go down because there will be another twist to the tale. Well here it is!

I have read many many times people defend Lindsay over and over again, you people who have defended him do not know your elbow from your backside believe me.

I look now and read most people saying Lindsay should be sacked, well halleluiah!!!!!!

I’m not going to list the very long list of mistakes this man has made but it was very clear along time ago that the man could not do his job properly and please don’t give me that one about he is Wigan through and through. So am I and I don’t think I could run the club but I will quickly add that I could do a better job than Lindsay.

So come on people stick to your guns this time and keep with the thought of Lindsay out and perhaps a demonstration should be called for.
So come on Wigan Watcher Who would you replace him with and who would bankroll the club when Whelan departs with him
Can i take it WW from your lack of reply that you have no idea about replacements?

Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:28 pm
by Stev0
I've aired my opinions a couple of times before regarding Maurice Lindsay, and in my opinion he should have been sacked well before this fiasco came to light Surely this should be the final nail in the coffin, but it seems he has friends in high places.

As for the 'he's Wigan through and through' arguement, if you employee someone for their loyalty even though they are clueless then your heading for trouble, unless he's cleaning the toilets that is, but not a place on the board!

Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:56 pm
by GeoffN
Stev0 posted:
I've aired my opinions a couple of times before regarding Maurice Lindsay, and in my opinion he should have been sacked well before this fiasco came to light Surely this should be the final nail in the coffin, but it seems he has friends in high places.

As for the 'he's Wigan through and through' arguement, if you employee someone for their loyalty even though they are clueless then your heading for trouble, unless he's cleaning the toilets that is, but not a place on the board!
Absolutely correct. All the loyalty in the world is useless without ability (and, I'd say, integrity). Maurice has demonstrated a notable lack of either.

AS for a replacement, one name I'd put in the hat is John Martin.


Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:02 pm
by thegimble
Stev0 posted:
I've aired my opinions a couple of times before regarding Maurice Lindsay, and in my opinion he should have been sacked well before this fiasco came to light Surely this should be the final nail in the coffin, but it seems he has friends in high places.

As for the 'he's Wigan through and through' arguement, if you employee someone for their loyalty even though they are clueless then your heading for trouble, unless he's cleaning the toilets that is, but not a place on the board!
Spot on.

How often we hear hes Wigan through and through.

Its a cop out.

Seems DW knew this was coming as hes got him involved in the Latics to take him away from us.

Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:23 pm
by cpwigan
I have not bothered to read prior posts

The club willingly decided to break the salary cap rules given the circumstances we were in, relegation dogfight, injuries etc. That decision was taken at the very top by DW and ML. We stayed up.

I have no doubt they both did not anticipate a repeat struggle.

If we stay up then everything is fine. If we go down by 2pts or less then everything is not fine. If we stay up and do so by breaking the salary cap AGAIN to sign Fielden then so be it IMO. If you break the rule then IMO you should go up to 54.9%. I would advocate every club spends 51% come what may. The fine at that level is irrelevant.

The salary cap is a restriction of trade and condemns players to being paid less than they are worth. It rewards mediocrity and achieves competitiveness through preventing teams trying to rais the bar so to speak.

Re: LINSAY MUST GO and GO ...

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:34 pm
by mike binder
he is rumoured to be the only guy in the village