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gw wrote:This just seems like this is a thread for a bit of Noble bashing, his comments seem fair to me, more posotives than negatives in there.

If this was coach who was popular i think these comments would have gone un-noticed!!

I dont think that its the comment as a singular incident that has got peoples backs up, Noble it would seem doing his utmost best to alienate himself from the fans dropping ainsy when he is such good form being one such action, sending goulding away and keeping pryce another.

I think what has annoyed people is not that his is "incorrect" in what he said there was just no need to add that bit on. To be honest i feel he added that last bit because he was a bit egg on face that ainsy only played after carmount withdrew, the comment he said about having to only run 10 yards for his tries also i feel was of this ilk. Its like he was a bit peaved that ainsy had basically shone a glaring light on his error.

From the general feeling on here i think the main problem and you have got it right gw is that the fans have lost all faith and confidence in Noble. Rightly or wrongly fans now want rid. I dont think unless Noble changed his coaching style which lets face it he aint going to do any amount of results is going to turn opinion of him. If we win the CC playing boring up the middle rugby its not going to suddenly change my view that he should go.

A good coach gets the best out of average players, noble seems to be getting the average out of good players

The penny might drop that "up the middle" was all the team were capable of. The packs job is to stop the forwards coming through. There is little point in off loading when the team are not capable of wide enough fast enough. Higham had a good final year but it was still pass and crash. The back row now is better than the back row last year. There is speed and ball movement. OK the first half is strewn with handling errors but week on week the team is getting better. When Gleeson and Roberts get on the same wavelength we will have a team second to none in the league. The biggest problem Wigan has shown in the last couple of years is lack of speed getting the ball wide. This allows the opposition props to compress at play of the ball. Line breaks are difficult when the weight of the pack is bearing down on you. Noble has built and is building a team. Ainscough is a member of that team but who should be dropped. Pat we need. Phelps is showing form. Roberts and Gleeson is building a partnership. If he plays SA who drops out. We need the forwards against St H.
Noble is not so bad a coach as this site portays. 3 years is not long to rebuild a team. Some have been trying it sinse time began and have not got there yet. This season is not over but the hangman is already on the scaffold. 8 points and 8 places seperate ST. H and us. Two wins reduces that to four if the boys hold them. The wheels are currently off the Leeds bus and Stains wheelnuts are loose
Jim

highland convert wrote:The penny might drop that "up the middle" was all the team were capable of. The packs job is to stop the forwards coming through. There is little point in off loading when the team are not capable of wide enough fast enough. Higham had a good final year but it was still pass and crash. The back row now is better than the back row last year. There is speed and ball movement. OK the first half is strewn with handling errors but week on week the team is getting better. When Gleeson and Roberts get on the same wavelength we will have a team second to none in the league. The biggest problem Wigan has shown in the last couple of years is lack of speed getting the ball wide. This allows the opposition props to compress at play of the ball. Line breaks are difficult when the weight of the pack is bearing down on you. Noble has built and is building a team. Ainscough is a member of that team but who should be dropped. Pat we need. Phelps is showing form. Roberts and Gleeson is building a partnership. If he plays SA who drops out. We need the forwards against St H.
Noble is not so bad a coach as this site portays. 3 years is not long to rebuild a team. Some have been trying it sinse time began and have not got there yet. This season is not over but the hangman is already on the scaffold. 8 points and 8 places seperate ST. H and us. Two wins reduces that to four if the boys hold them. The wheels are currently off the Leeds bus and Stains wheelnuts are loose
Jim

I have to disagree there 3 years is long enough to at least be showing signs of improvement which we are not. Yes many other coaches have struggled to rebuild teams but ask yourself have they had the same resources and quality avaible that Wigan have. Look at the job Nathan Brown has done at hudds or mick potter did at Cats. Sorry but again i feel like its becoming acceptable for Wigan just to be part of the pack, We should be winning trophies year in year out regardless of competion levels anything less is a failure by this clubs standards unfortuantly we have been failing for quite a while now!

Wigan_forever19 85 wrote:

gw wrote:This just seems like this is a thread for a bit of Noble bashing, his comments seem fair to me, more posotives than negatives in there.

If this was coach who was popular i think these comments would have gone un-noticed!!

I dont think that its the comment as a singular incident that has got peoples backs up, Noble it would seem doing his utmost best to alienate himself from the fans dropping ainsy when he is such good form being one such action, sending goulding away and keeping pryce another.

I think what has annoyed people is not that his is "incorrect" in what he said there was just no need to add that bit on. To be honest i feel he added that last bit because he was a bit egg on face that ainsy only played after carmount withdrew, the comment he said about having to only run 10 yards for his tries also i feel was of this ilk. Its like he was a bit peaved that ainsy had basically shone a glaring light on his error.

From the general feeling on here i think the main problem and you have got it right gw is that the fans have lost all faith and confidence in Noble. Rightly or wrongly fans now want rid. I dont think unless Noble changed his coaching style which lets face it he aint going to do any amount of results is going to turn opinion of him. If we win the CC playing boring up the middle rugby its not going to suddenly change my view that he should go.

A good coach gets the best out of average players, noble seems to be getting the average out of good players

If you take a close look at what Noble allegedly said, the sentences appear disjointed. In other words, the report infers that what he said was a continuous comment volunteered by Noble from a single question but let me suggest that what was written is the response to not one but a number of questions which the reporter has 'run together'.

For instance the interview would probably have gone along these lines:

Q. 'What a great game by Shaun Ainscough, Brian, you must be very pleased.'
A. "He's got superb prowess. He's strong, he's quick and he knows how to finish."
Q. 'Just spoken to John Kear and he thinks Shaun made the difference between the two teams.'
A. "He'll be the first to compliment those who put him in those positions because I don't think he's had to run more than 10 metres for any of his tries but we've seen some of his fantastic breaks."
Q. 'Are you concerned though that he conceded two tries from kicks by Danny Brough?'
A. "There's no doubt that he's still a work in progress and there are other parts of his game that he needs to improve on. That goes for all our young kids. We're a young team."

I think it likely that the interview would have been along similar lines and if that was the case then it would have been a perfectly reasonable response by Noble.

highland convert wrote: If he plays SA who drops out.

He should pick players on form, not reputation, quite simply.

It shouldn't be a case of who to drop if SA plays, but who to drop if Phelps plays - on form, Shaun should be the first threequarter name on the sheet. I agree that Richards should also always be there, and I'd say Carmont & Gleeson also, which means a choice between Roberts and Phelps for the other wing spot.

trouble is anicent that the proposed interview you gave there is as much pinch of salt for noble as other comments are against. I suppose unless you got a transcript of the actualy interview or someone heard it we wont know for 100%. You have to accept that potentially dropping ainsy for the game has upset people and maybe we are looking for more reasons to get at Noble but that to me just highlights how bad things have got. If we the fans have lost all confidence in noble then how far behind us are the players?

Wigan_forever19 85 wrote:trouble is anicent that the proposed interview you gave there is as much pinch of salt for noble as other comments are against. I suppose unless you got a transcript of the actualy interview or someone heard it we wont know for 100%. You have to accept that potentially dropping ainsy for the game has upset people and maybe we are looking for more reasons to get at Noble but that to me just highlights how bad things have got. If we the fans have lost all confidence in noble then how far behind us are the players?

Not very far at all Wigan_Forever19 85. Especially Ainscough after the "controversial" commenrts by Noble after the match.

AncientWarrior wrote:

Wigan_forever19 85 wrote:

gw wrote:This just seems like this is a thread for a bit of Noble bashing, his comments seem fair to me, more posotives than negatives in there.

If this was coach who was popular i think these comments would have gone un-noticed!!

I dont think that its the comment as a singular incident that has got peoples backs up, Noble it would seem doing his utmost best to alienate himself from the fans dropping ainsy when he is such good form being one such action, sending goulding away and keeping pryce another.

I think what has annoyed people is not that his is "incorrect" in what he said there was just no need to add that bit on. To be honest i feel he added that last bit because he was a bit egg on face that ainsy only played after carmount withdrew, the comment he said about having to only run 10 yards for his tries also i feel was of this ilk. Its like he was a bit peaved that ainsy had basically shone a glaring light on his error.

From the general feeling on here i think the main problem and you have got it right gw is that the fans have lost all faith and confidence in Noble. Rightly or wrongly fans now want rid. I dont think unless Noble changed his coaching style which lets face it he aint going to do any amount of results is going to turn opinion of him. If we win the CC playing boring up the middle rugby its not going to suddenly change my view that he should go.

A good coach gets the best out of average players, noble seems to be getting the average out of good players

If you take a close look at what Noble allegedly said, the sentences appear disjointed. In other words, the report infers that what he said was a continuous comment volunteered by Noble from a single question but let me suggest that what was written is the response to not one but a number of questions which the reporter has 'run together'.

For instance the interview would probably have gone along these lines:

Q. 'What a great game by Shaun Ainscough, Brian, you must be very pleased.'
A. "He's got superb prowess. He's strong, he's quick and he knows how to finish."
Q. 'Just spoken to John Kear and he thinks Shaun made the difference between the two teams.'
A. "He'll be the first to compliment those who put him in those positions because I don't think he's had to run more than 10 metres for any of his tries but we've seen some of his fantastic breaks."
Q. 'Are you concerned though that he conceded two tries from kicks by Danny Brough?'
A. "There's no doubt that he's still a work in progress and there are other parts of his game that he needs to improve on. That goes for all our young kids. We're a young team."

I think it likely that the interview would have been along similar lines and if that was the case then it would have been a perfectly reasonable response by Noble.

Trust me interviews in sport do not work like that. Interviewers say as little as possible and let the respondent ramble on. This is not Question Time

Interesting quote from Mick potter on sportinglife website:

It was good for the young kid to score four tries. They weren't walk-ins either, he had to work for them.

Meanwhile, Ainscough's overall total for the season went up to 17 today after he was officially credited with four tries in Wigan's 32-20 Challenge Cup fourth-round win at Barrow earlier this month.

Originally he was awarded three but, following video evidence, he has now been credited with one thought to have been scored by Carmont.

:conf:

so lets look at the facts:

two 4 try appearances for this lad gets him dropped barring an injury

yet stuart feilden contiues to do the worst impression of a prop forward in the world with mot even a question over his place.

Nobles lack of pragmatism worries me, he seems set in his ways and seems willing to both drop and not drop players regadless of performance. A few people on here have been very critical of his by the clock subs instead of reactive use of bench players and this attitude seems to bleed into his selection policy