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can someone anyone remove this topic...


Its like a soap opera,

i think we all get everyones points of view.
some posters are stubborn and some are always right lets just leave it, Riddell is not worth this much is he!

Why it is an excellent thread. I actually enjoy debating with Ellery because we debate the POVs with evidence / reasoning.

Dave I would agree but I think by the end Mathers was doomed. The crowds expected hm to fail / make mistakes. Not keen on the ironic cheers that Mathers and Pryce receive but totally agree re fans recognising effort etc.

Sutty, I presume Long must train hard, even harder to counteract his excesses. Gary Connolly was somewhat similar re drinking and Andy Greg liked a drink. I can only assume both trained hard but despite how good they were they might have been even better tea total.

cpwigan wrote:Why it is an excellent thread. I actually enjoy debating with Ellery because we debate the POVs with evidence / reasoning.

Dave I would agree but I think by the end Mathers was doomed. The crowds expected hm to fail / make mistakes. Not keen on the ironic cheers that Mathers and Pryce receive but totally agree re fans recognising effort etc.

Sutty, I presume Long must train hard, even harder to counteract his excesses. Gary Connolly was somewhat similar re drinking and Andy Greg liked a drink. I can only assume both trained hard but despite how good they were they might have been even better tea total.

I'm not sure, he paints a pretty (imo) unprofessional picture of himself and a few of his team mates, both past and present. Maybe I'm being to critical and at the risk of sounding snobbish, he comes across as a bit of a drunken prat. Tales of turning up drunk for training and him and Gleeson almost throwing up after training.

There are a few funny stories but his book's not a patch on Rad's and he often contradicts himself throughout the book. He says he's still a loyal Wiganer and if we're playing anyone other than Saints he cheers us on, although later in the book he contradicts it by saying something completely opposite, it slips my mind what it was exactly.
But you are right, no one can consume large amounts of alcohol and still perform to the best of their abilities, no matter how gifted of physically fit they are. It does make you wonder just how good some players would be if they were tee total or even if they just cut right down on the beer.

Sutty wrote: It does make you wonder just how good some players would be if they were tee total or even if they just cut right down on the beer.

The answer to this is they'd be a level of player better. If they are good, they'd be excellent. If they're average they'd be good.

I reckon heavyish regular drinking or a 15pint binge session every Saturday night knackers your overall fitness by about 10-20% because of the following:

- poor sleep.
- poor recovery from exercise.
- excess calories.
- impaired training the days after.
- slowed reaction time for 2 days after drinking.

I've not drunk through choice for 18 months and can testify to improvements in fitness - I'm pushing 40 and I've never been fitter in my life. I've lost 3 stone in weight, lost 6 inches off my gut, said hello to some stomach muscles and completed a long course triathlon around the Lakes in under 5 hours this year.

weststand-rich wrote:

Sutty wrote: It does make you wonder just how good some players would be if they were tee total or even if they just cut right down on the beer.

The answer to this is they'd be a level of player better. If they are good, they'd be excellent. If they're average they'd be good.

I reckon heavyish regular drinking or a 15pint binge session every Saturday night knackers your overall fitness by about 10-20% because of the following:

- poor sleep.
- poor recovery from exercise.
- excess calories.
- impaired training the days after.
- slowed reaction time for 2 days after drinking.

I've not drunk through choice for 18 months and can testify to improvements in fitness - I'm pushing 40 and I've never been fitter in my life. I've lost 3 stone in weight, lost 6 inches off my gut, said hello to some stomach muscles and completed a long course triathlon around the Lakes in under 5 hours this year.

WR - well done mate. If things go pearshaped this season then I am nominating you as our next fitness coach.

This thread is like the film Titanic... prepared to give it a go at the start... irrelevant in the middle and the exciting stuff at the end (now - where we have discussion.)

If MM hasn't seen Riddell in training yet I assume he has taken his opinion on his fitness from watching last season's games which, very clearly, mirror 85% of posts in this thread - that Riddell isn't/wasn't fit enough last season. So if we assume MM is waiting on squad numbers what chance has Mcilorum got for the #9 jersey? surely it should go on form - hence fitness also...

A & L, we do not know but MM may well have signed Deacon to allow him to perhaps play Tommy at 9.

Deacon's fitness or not it's worth a gamble with him interchanging with micky mac at 9

I think Deacon is more likely to interchange with TL for the scrum half position than the hooking position. I (personally) think it will be between MM and TL for the hooking position

butt monkey wrote:I think Deacon is more likely to interchange with TL for the scrum half position than the hooking position. I (personally) think it will be between MM and TL for the hooking position

Hope you're right bud.