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cherry.pie wrote:How has Goulding had time to prove himself? He came into contention in 2007 playing off the bench and was excellent, scoring tries for fun. In 2008 he was thrown in at the deep end because Noble couldn't find a replacement for Fletcher so played Bailey at second row.
At the start of 2008 Goulding was very good, and was getting plenty of tries too, but when the team started playing poorly so did Goulding. Fair enough, Noble drops him after half a season, probably the right thing to do. He's then recalled for the Saints game (he was in my opinion MOTM) and Huddersfield (another good game in a poor performance) and he was then dropped again. Since then, he's played 2 more SL games, against Hull (he played very well, had a hand in 2 tries, and was by all means better than Carmont in that game), and then against Cas where he got a try and was a lot better in defence than people give him credit for, since he had the incapable Smith and the passenger Pryce alongside him all game, he didn't even miss a tackle unlike those 2.

So effectively, 2 good games and 2 decent games since he was dropped half way through his first full season.
Compare him to Shenton, Clubb, Watkins etc all, but they've all had plenty of bad games too, but they've also played more games for their sides in the past year, and been given a bit of consistency.

cpwigan wrote:Meds, we have a thread on Gleeson and we are sticking to it. Hence, the merging. Otherwise we would now have 4 Gleeson threads minimum. Geoff locking threads and CP merging threads wastes our time so we do not do it lightly.

Goulding? Young, very good player. Wigan were forced to play him because they had no choice and he never let the team down. Should he suffer because the club did not exercise it's famous duty of care? One could argue if we took the stance you are suggesting Joel Tomkins would not be here either. How long before people say get rid of Ainscough? get rid of Sam Tomkins.

The current Wigan team, is let down by the established players IMO. Some of us worry that a centre partnership of Gleeson and Carmont has a combined age of 60+.

cherry.pie wrote:

medlocke wrote:Whats with all the "Very Promising" "He's got potential" remarks about Goulding about, i just don't get it, he's had enough time to prove himself, as stated elsewhere, other youngsters have staked their claims for first team positions at other clubs, and are regular first team players, time for Goulding to leave if he is to further his career IMO

Also, if Warrington are playing silly beggars and wanting a transfer fee, then why doesn't IL just sign Gleeson for next season and do Warrington out of any moneys

How has Goulding had time to prove himself? He came into contention in 2007 playing off the bench and was excellent, scoring tries for fun. In 2008 he was thrown in at the deep end because Noble couldn't find a replacement for Fletcher so played Bailey at second row.
At the start of 2008 Goulding was very good, and was getting plenty of tries too, but when the team started playing poorly so did Goulding. Fair enough, Noble drops him after half a season, probably the right thing to do. He's then recalled for the Saints game (he was in my opinion MOTM) and Huddersfield (another good game in a poor performance) and he was then dropped again. Since then, he's played 2 more SL games, against Hull (he played very well, had a hand in 2 tries, and was by all means better than Carmont in that game), and then against Cas where he got a try and was a lot better in defence than people give him credit for, since he had the incapable Smith and the passenger Pryce alongside him all game, he didn't even miss a tackle unlike those 2.

So effectively, 2 good games and 2 decent games since he was dropped half way through his first full season.
Compare him to Shenton, Clubb, Watkins etc all, but they've all had plenty of bad games too, but they've also played more games for their sides in the past year, and been given a bit of consistency.

medlocke wrote:

cpwigan wrote:Meds, we have a thread on Gleeson and we are sticking to it. Hence, the merging. Otherwise we would now have 4 Gleeson threads minimum. Geoff locking threads and CP merging threads wastes our time so we do not do it lightly.

Goulding? Young, very good player. Wigan were forced to play him because they had no choice and he never let the team down. Should he suffer because the club did not exercise it's famous duty of care? One could argue if we took the stance you are suggesting Joel Tomkins would not be here either. How long before people say get rid of Ainscough? get rid of Sam Tomkins.

The current Wigan team, is let down by the established players IMO. Some of us worry that a centre partnership of Gleeson and Carmont has a combined age of 60+.

CP i posted the post in the Gleason thread, hence the "wtf" post after that :exc:

DaveO wrote:

cherry.pie wrote:How has Goulding had time to prove himself? He came into contention in 2007 playing off the bench and was excellent, scoring tries for fun. In 2008 he was thrown in at the deep end because Noble couldn't find a replacement for Fletcher so played Bailey at second row.
At the start of 2008 Goulding was very good, and was getting plenty of tries too, but when the team started playing poorly so did Goulding. Fair enough, Noble drops him after half a season, probably the right thing to do. He's then recalled for the Saints game (he was in my opinion MOTM) and Huddersfield (another good game in a poor performance) and he was then dropped again. Since then, he's played 2 more SL games, against Hull (he played very well, had a hand in 2 tries, and was by all means better than Carmont in that game), and then against Cas where he got a try and was a lot better in defence than people give him credit for, since he had the incapable Smith and the passenger Pryce alongside him all game, he didn't even miss a tackle unlike those 2.

So effectively, 2 good games and 2 decent games since he was dropped half way through his first full season.
Compare him to Shenton, Clubb, Watkins etc all, but they've all had plenty of bad games too, but they've also played more games for their sides in the past year, and been given a bit of consistency.

Spot on assessment of Goulding's senior career with Wigan. He is a victim of our coach who I am now truly sick and fed up of now this latest rumour surfaced.

He got dropped for Smith's failings this season.

On rlfans it has been said Goulding has asked to leave and if so who can blame him.

Dave

Mr Sergent wrote:I don't often post, I do however have it on good authority that the deal of Gleeson in exchange for Mathers and Goulding has been completed this morning and will be announced later today or tomorrow.