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highland convert wrote:The penny might drop that "up the middle" was all the team were capable of. The packs job is to stop the forwards coming through. There is little point in off loading when the team are not capable of wide enough fast enough. Higham had a good final year but it was still pass and crash. The back row now is better than the back row last year. There is speed and ball movement. OK the first half is strewn with handling errors but week on week the team is getting better. When Gleeson and Roberts get on the same wavelength we will have a team second to none in the league. The biggest problem Wigan has shown in the last couple of years is lack of speed getting the ball wide. This allows the opposition props to compress at play of the ball. Line breaks are difficult when the weight of the pack is bearing down on you. Noble has built and is building a team. Ainscough is a member of that team but who should be dropped. Pat we need. Phelps is showing form. Roberts and Gleeson is building a partnership. If he plays SA who drops out. We need the forwards against St H.
Noble is not so bad a coach as this site portays. 3 years is not long to rebuild a team. Some have been trying it sinse time began and have not got there yet. This season is not over but the hangman is already on the scaffold. 8 points and 8 places seperate ST. H and us. Two wins reduces that to four if the boys hold them. The wheels are currently off the Leeds bus and Stains wheelnuts are loose
Jim

The penny might drop that "up the middle" was all the team were capable of. The packs job is to stop the forwards coming through.

At the core of it all is the belief that the team comes before everything else. And, for Bennett, if it means making decisions that upset people or make him unpopular, even with his friends, so be it.

"A lot of things I have had to do in my life are totally opposite to the person inside me," Bennett told me in a rare and candid interview.

"But the one underlying thing that has always got me across the line is doing what is right - doing the right thing by the team. It is a difference between the successful and the unsuccessful coaches."

According to Bennett, if coaches shy away from making difficult, perhaps even ruthless, decisions they will not last. Yet it is obvious he cares deeply about his players.

Legendary Australian half-back Alfie Langer spent a considerable portion of his career playing for Bennett and puts their relationship like this: "He's not only a father figure, I think I class him as one of my best friends."

Bennett adds. "My bond with my players is what I value most of all. They are never far from your thoughts and you are always there for them."

Which must make it hard when he decides it is in the best interests of the club to move a few of them on.

Bennett puts it this way: "I liken myself to a headmaster at school. They might be with you four or five years but a time comes when they have to move on. There is a kid in grade eight and he or she wants the opportunity you gave the other person."

turf wrote:
Meanwhile, Ainscough's overall total for the season went up to 17 today after he was officially credited with four tries in Wigan's 32-20 Challenge Cup fourth-round win at Barrow earlier this month.

Originally he was awarded three but, following video evidence, he has now been credited with one thought to have been scored by Carmont.

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highland convert wrote:The penny might drop that "up the middle" was all the team were capable of.

When Gleeson and Roberts get on the same wavelength we will have a team second to none in the league.

The biggest problem Wigan has shown in the last couple of years is lack of speed getting the ball wide. This allows the opposition props to compress at play of the ball. Line breaks are difficult when the weight of the pack is bearing down on you. Noble has built and is building a team. Ainscough is a member of that team but who should be dropped. Pat we need. Phelps is showing form. Roberts and Gleeson is building a partnership. If he plays SA who drops out.

We need the forwards against St H.
Noble is not so bad a coach as this site portays. 3 years is not long to rebuild a team.

Some have been trying it sinse time began and have not got there yet. This season is not over but the hangman is already on the scaffold.

cpwigan wrote:

AncientWarrior wrote:

Wigan_forever19 85 wrote: I dont think that its the comment as a singular incident that has got peoples backs up, Noble it would seem doing his utmost best to alienate himself from the fans dropping ainsy when he is such good form being one such action, sending goulding away and keeping pryce another.

I think what has annoyed people is not that his is "incorrect" in what he said there was just no need to add that bit on. To be honest i feel he added that last bit because he was a bit egg on face that ainsy only played after carmount withdrew, the comment he said about having to only run 10 yards for his tries also i feel was of this ilk. Its like he was a bit peaved that ainsy had basically shone a glaring light on his error.

From the general feeling on here i think the main problem and you have got it right gw is that the fans have lost all faith and confidence in Noble. Rightly or wrongly fans now want rid. I dont think unless Noble changed his coaching style which lets face it he aint going to do any amount of results is going to turn opinion of him. If we win the CC playing boring up the middle rugby its not going to suddenly change my view that he should go.

A good coach gets the best out of average players, noble seems to be getting the average out of good players

If you take a close look at what Noble allegedly said, the sentences appear disjointed. In other words, the report infers that what he said was a continuous comment volunteered by Noble from a single question but let me suggest that what was written is the response to not one but a number of questions which the reporter has 'run together'.

For instance the interview would probably have gone along these lines:

Q. 'What a great game by Shaun Ainscough, Brian, you must be very pleased.'
A. "He's got superb prowess. He's strong, he's quick and he knows how to finish."
Q. 'Just spoken to John Kear and he thinks Shaun made the difference between the two teams.'
A. "He'll be the first to compliment those who put him in those positions because I don't think he's had to run more than 10 metres for any of his tries but we've seen some of his fantastic breaks."
Q. 'Are you concerned though that he conceded two tries from kicks by Danny Brough?'
A. "There's no doubt that he's still a work in progress and there are other parts of his game that he needs to improve on. That goes for all our young kids. We're a young team."

I think it likely that the interview would have been along similar lines and if that was the case then it would have been a perfectly reasonable response by Noble.

Trust me interviews in sport do not work like that. Interviewers say as little as possible and let the respondent ramble on. This is not Question Time

cpwigan wrote:
injuries.



We rarely do because Brian Noble is not good enough as a coach and we signed Stuart Fielden. Like it or not that signing has been an unmitigated disaster. In terms of expenditure v product, SF ranks as criminal and begs questions re the judgement of Brian Noble.


Supporters are often 'brainwashed'for want of a better word. A coach puts the thought in their head that Ainscough has weaknesses and ever try conceded involving him = Ainscough the weakness. He does have areas that need to be improved. He does make mistakes but v Wakey to blame him for 2 tries astonishes me and shows how gullible fans can be.

fielden was the best forward in the world in at the time. how that signing brings the judgement of the coach into question, i'm not sure.
i don't remember noble blaming ainscough for 2 tries. souds like you've been brainwashed by all the anti noble talk.
also our style of play isn't as consertvative as people think.paul cullen made note on boots n all how willing we are to push the ball. every team has to get forward first. i think we see saints throwing the ball around and compare us with them. they've been very good for years at forwards working in pairs and conequently isolating defenders early in the tackle count which enables them quick ptb's and can shift the ball. we're al dissapointed with where we are in the league but we are improving + key players are coming into form. i can't believe how pesamistic people are for the rest of the season.

yoda warrior wrote: We're all dissapointed with where we are in the league but we are improving + key players are coming into form. i can't believe how pesamistic people are for the rest of the season.

yoda warrior wrote:

cpwigan wrote:
injuries.



We rarely do because Brian Noble is not good enough as a coach and we signed Stuart Fielden. Like it or not that signing has been an unmitigated disaster. In terms of expenditure v product, SF ranks as criminal and begs questions re the judgement of Brian Noble.


Supporters are often 'brainwashed'for want of a better word. A coach puts the thought in their head that Ainscough has weaknesses and ever try conceded involving him = Ainscough the weakness. He does have areas that need to be improved. He does make mistakes but v Wakey to blame him for 2 tries astonishes me and shows how gullible fans can be.

fielden was the best forward in the world in at the time. how that signing brings the judgement of the coach into question, i'm not sure.
i don't remember noble blaming ainscough for 2 tries. souds like you've been brainwashed by all the anti noble talk.
also our style of play isn't as consertvative as people think.paul cullen made note on boots n all how willing we are to push the ball. every team has to get forward first. i think we see saints throwing the ball around and compare us with them. they've been very good for years at forwards working in pairs and conequently isolating defenders early in the tackle count which enables them quick ptb's and can shift the ball. we're al dissapointed with where we are in the league but we are improving + key players are coming into form. i can't believe how pesamistic people are for the rest of the season.

I was anti Noble before it became fashionable Yoda

Fielden was judged by some (primarily British) as the best forward in the world at the time. Personally, I never shared that view. He was coached for club and country by Noble. Surely Noble should have seen through that / or realised he was past his sell by date? Instead Noble sent our club on a pth of cheating and snookered our salary cap for years to come by paying Fielden an extraordinary salary. Look at the Wayne Bennett quote to see how a coach should act.

Identify the weaknesses of Ainscough v Wakey, v other clubs??? Fielding grubbers / cross field kicks is the only obviously identifiable weakness. The press identified that on the basis of Noble's comments. Comments that questions Noble's judgement again.

Unimaginative sets have killed mine and others enthusiasm for Noble RL. We have a better squad depth wise than any SL club including Leeds and Saints. Leeds and Saints have key players that deliver, we do not. E.G Fielden.

Lindsay backed Noble, IL has now backed Noble I.E Fielden, Gleeson. It is time he delivered. Instead we have gone backwards. We have gone backwards in a SL that has gone backwards. Yes, teams are more equal but the bar has not been raised. It has been lowered.

If IL believed Noble was the man why has his contract not been extended? Penrith have just done so with Elliott.