If Nobby goes.........

[josie andrews]

Can we keep the personal insults out of the thread.

Who has he personally insulted?

[DaveO]

The strength of Wane will be that he knows all the young players and should be more willing to give them opportunities which was the case of disharmony betweeen IFL and Noble. The weakness will be does he have cutting edge NRL style knowledge of RL and can he supplement the very promising youngsters with truly class overseas players.

That is a fair summary of the pros asnd cons of appointing Wane.

There is another "con" and that is if he gets the head coach job we have lost him from the job of U21 coach and we all know what a sterling job he has done there.

Once head coach the only certainty is one day he will get the boot so eventually his services would be lost to the club pretty much like that other former great servant of Wigan, Mr G West was lost to the club.

So I would like to see Wane stay where he is and an outsider be appointed. The outsider would be expendable as all head coaches are, we don't want to lose Wane a few years down the track at all.

If he does get the job I think he would improve several areas over Noble such as team selection and conditioning and those two things alone could IMO improve on Nobby's record a little. The concern I have apart from his possible lack of cutting edge knowledge you mention is would he be given the right resources to do the job? By this I mean if he identified poor conditioning as a problem, would he have the right back room staff available to sort this out?

If not then he would be well adivsed to stay away from the job IMO.

Dave

[weststand-rich]

I think most be people would accept Wane with an open mind and give him a fair crack of the whip.

He's 'one of us', he's done a job and crucially he has respect. His appointment isn't going to have me whooping and high-fiving around the office, but at the same time I'm not filled with worry and aprehension.

[Kittwazzer]

I was told last night that John Pendlebury is definitely on his way out!

[DaveO]

I think most be people would accept Wane with an open mind and give him a fair crack of the whip.

He's 'one of us', he's done a job and crucially he has respect. His appointment isn't going to have me whooping and high-fiving around the office, but at the same time I'm not filled with worry and aprehension.

His appointment could be seen in a similar way to that of Mike Gregory. Mike had no 1st grade coaching experience when he took over but certainly had the respect of the players. Sadly as we all know we never got to find out if he could fulfil his potential as a top coach. To be honest I always thought he wasn't fashionable enough for Mo and DW and would have gone the same way as Endicott but with IL I reckon Wane would get a fair crack of the whip.

So if he gets the job I'd greet it with cautious optimism partly because he can't do any worse than Noble and also because I'd expect him to pick on form thus putting a rocket up the backside of several first team players.

Dave

[georgeorwell]

Hi Dave

I'm not trying to be clever when I say that Wigan is one of the biggest names in League and we should be demanding and getting the best. Terms like "cautious optimism" and "can't do worse" are not exactly ringing endorsements. As I see it, this next appointment just has to be the right one, or another three years could be wasted, financially as well as trophy wise.

[Fujiman]

Personally don't think he would be a good choice. Nice bloke done well with the reserves but he's part time and has no top level coaching experience.

[DaveO]

Hi Dave

I'm not trying to be clever when I say that Wigan is one of the biggest names in League and we should be demanding and getting the best. Terms like "cautious optimism" and "can't do worse" are not exactly ringing endorsements. As I see it, this next appointment just has to be the right one, or another three years could be wasted, financially as well as trophy wise.

I agree they are not ringing endorsements and I have my doubts the improvements I think Wane would make would be enough to take us to another level given his experience is with the junior players.

I think he would make improvements in obvious areas such as fitness, attitude and selection policy but what about tactics and out thinking his opposite number? Do we want to be sat here in 12 months time having seen Wane out-coached in a semi-final the way Nobby was v Wire?

I think the way that game went more than any other has flagged up to the Wigan fans we need a smart coach not just a motivator hence most peoples preference for an NRL coach as we all assume he would have this greater technical ability. We are also assuming Wane does not which though harsh probably isn't unreasonable given he has not been working with a technically great head coach and has been coaching junior players.

So I share your opinion and ideally we move mountains to get the best we can but unfortunately I don't think that is the IL way.

Dave

[Susi]

this is based on GO post earlier (Sorry not sure how to do quote).
Yes Wigan are and do expect the best, however we aren't exactly the best as we were known , we used to lead the way now we barely cling on at times. Lets face it and it hurts for the last few years (not getting at any coach or player here)we have not been what we fans have come to expect.
The likes of the smells and leeds and even hull kr seem to have superseeded us, in performance fitness and above all else playing and finishing position in the table.
Now your a good aussie/english coach, Wigan approach you, do you think by our current standards we are likely to attract someone all that great, given mr L tendancy for tight walletness.
It hurts to say and to see we are miles off what we were and will continue to be until we have a coach whom has respect of ALL the players and is not afraid of dropping those who aren't performing nor afraid of standing up to the board and doing it their own way.
Sadly were not as notorious as we were and will have to accept probably a lower rate coach than we'd like, we won't like it but will have to swallow it , until we can climb back up to our former status.


(AWAIT huge slating off cp hc and kw)

[DaveO]

this is based on GO post earlier (Sorry not sure how to do quote).
Yes Wigan are and do expect the best, however we aren't exactly the best as we were known , we used to lead the way now we barely cling on at times. Lets face it and it hurts for the last few years (not getting at any coach or player here)we have not been what we fans have come to expect.
The likes of the smells and leeds and even hull kr seem to have superseeded us, in performance fitness and above all else playing and finishing position in the table.
Now your a good aussie/english coach, Wigan approach you, do you think by our current standards we are likely to attract someone all that great, given mr L tendancy for tight walletness.
It hurts to say and to see we are miles off what we were and will continue to be until we have a coach whom has respect of ALL the players and is not afraid of dropping those who aren't performing nor afraid of standing up to the board and doing it their own way.
Sadly were not as notorious as we were and will have to accept probably a lower rate coach than we'd like, we won't like it but will have to swallow it , until we can climb back up to our former status.


(AWAIT huge slating off cp hc and kw)

So its catch 22 then? We are not very good so won't get a very good coach, so will stay not very good?

Something has to break the circle and start the revolution. Mo got Murphy in after came up from the 2nd division and that made people take note.

That is what we need now and yes "mr L tendancy for tight walletness." won't help.

There are two ways to go about it. Try and take small steps and put up with perhaps years of no trophies which all the time just erodes the clubs reputation as a place to coach further or try and short circuit that by moving heaven and earth to get a top class coach AND back-room staff.

This would probably take money the club gas not got so this is time for IL to speculate to accumulate. I doubt he will. Perhaps he just is not as persuasive in selling Wigan to overseas coaches as Mo used to be.

Wane would be the small step solution so may be you are right and we will just have to put up with it.

Dave