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Given that the club hasn't officially commented, it's not today's news yet!

im talking about the situation in general, all the talk/speculation will be old news soon enough and we will all be talking about a great season ahead

The silence from the club is deafening at this current moment.

I can gather from that (ignoring all the speculation) that something HAS happened and the club are not willing to disclose what (at this moment). I would assume if this is as serious as the speculation hints, then the matter is now in the hands of the club's solicitors and the players agent.

Until something has been sorted to a mutual agreement for both sides, we can all agree that the club's silence will continue and Gleeson's future will remain speculated upon.

The only conclusion I can make out of everything is though that Gleeson's position at the club would be virtually untenable irrespective of the discussions that must be ongoing at the moment.

As for him being "given chances" I thought he already had been given more than enough at Wigan all ready? If someone refuses to accept "help" then he refuses to acknowledge he has a problem in the first place.

A good player with a dark-side, his signing was a gamble, and to a certain degree it was a correct one. Just a pity that some people are not willing to educate themselves and prevent themselves from hitting that self-destruct button time and time again.

butt monkey wrote:A good player with a dark-side, his signing was a gamble, and to a certain degree it was a correct one. Just a pity that some people are not willing to educate themselves and prevent themselves from hitting that self-destruct button time and time again.

I'd agree with that summary. A good player who did improve our team. Remember even with Carmont in the side there were still calls for a centre to be signed and these dried up after he arrived.

I thought after his dust up last season where he got suspended by the club he said the right things about learning his lesson and he went on from that low to play a big role for us and was great in the GF.

If he has tossed that away....

It may be that Gleeson will be given a disciplinary hearing , like anyone else subject to breaking company rules .
In that case it normally takes about a week for him to put his case to the company , probrably with a solicitor present . Then when all the facts are known , a decision will be made on whether to sack him or not .

That 1s what normally happens and i assume the club will do this to prevent any appeals on unfair dismissal grounds .

Dobby wrote:

DaveO wrote:We might not have even been in the Grand Final without Gleeson. He may have issues off field but on it he is still one of the best centres in the league and a major reason why his winger was running in tries and that side of the field looked solid all season.

Was he really? There were periods last season when he was very poor both in attack and defence. I have always thought that Gleeson is quite a selfish centre and he often plays for himself far too much. There are some games when his winger only gets the ball courtesy of cut out passes from O'Loughlin or Tomkins which miss out Gleeson completely.

Gleeson had 4 try assists in the whole of last season which is very poor for a centre, as a comparison Carmont had 10. When you think that Goulding scored 25 tries on that wing and Roberts also scored some then that really is poor. It is a complete myth that Gleeson set up loads of tries for his winger last season and I would be fairly certain that someone like O'Loughlin set up far more.

You are being very selective with your stats IMO so allow me to do the same. Gleeson played two fewer games than Carmont in 2010 but Gleeson made 1863 v 1594 meters, made 22 v 13 offloads (as significant a stats as the assists IMO), bust 48 v 41 tackles, made fewer errors a mere 10 compared to 26 and gave away fewer penalties, 11 v 15.

Does that make Carmont a bad centre? No. The fact is we had two good centres in our side for the first time in a long time and this was a big reason we got to and won the GF in my opinion.

If he was as ineffective as you make out Madge would have dropped him as he does with other players like Roberts, not played him 22 times and in the GF.

I do not think the club does itself any favours by its prolonged no comment status. It is repeated time and time again usually followed by we do not comment about rumours. Well, hey presto stop creating the rumours and you will not need to.

The leagal advice argument only really holds up for 48 hours maximum. Less probably.

Just so people know the truth; Gleeson has had previous disciplinary action taken against him at Wigan.

Off the field in the close season. Gleeson was blackmailed to the extent he paid ion excess of 20K to the blackmailers. The blackmailers were arrested and then released after Gleeson withdrew his statement. You do not need to be Columbo to work out why etc etc

On the field; the players were given Monday off after the WCC. Training Tuesday. Gleeson arrived late and hungover. A teammate spotted him first and tried to get him in a shower to sober up. Gleeson refused and would not have any help or listen. The coaching team then spotted him and during a discussion that took place Gleeson tried to punch Madge. So turning up for work late, drunk, and attempting to assault your line manager what is the result in any business/industry.

One of Glees's old mates is back on the scene too which is not helping. His old mate is currently not being selected for his present club.

Personally, I think Gleeson was important in winning the GF and by and large very important. He bombed in the CC v Leeds. I think the best Martin Gleeson was the one who terrorised Willie Tonga for GB in the 3 Nations or whatever it was then. Thereafter from the betting scandal he has never been the player he could have been. If only / how good could he have been will be Martin Gleeson's epitaph.

If I was Madge, I'd name Gleeson in the 19 to play Hull, Just for a giggle.

Haha that would be utterly mad and brilliant. About as likely as Karl Pryce winning M.O.S though.

DaveO wrote:

Dobby wrote:

DaveO wrote:We might not have even been in the Grand Final without Gleeson. He may have issues off field but on it he is still one of the best centres in the league and a major reason why his winger was running in tries and that side of the field looked solid all season.

Was he really? There were periods last season when he was very poor both in attack and defence. I have always thought that Gleeson is quite a selfish centre and he often plays for himself far too much. There are some games when his winger only gets the ball courtesy of cut out passes from O'Loughlin or Tomkins which miss out Gleeson completely.

Gleeson had 4 try assists in the whole of last season which is very poor for a centre, as a comparison Carmont had 10. When you think that Goulding scored 25 tries on that wing and Roberts also scored some then that really is poor. It is a complete myth that Gleeson set up loads of tries for his winger last season and I would be fairly certain that someone like O'Loughlin set up far more.

You are being very selective with your stats IMO so allow me to do the same. Gleeson played two fewer games than Carmont in 2010 but Gleeson made 1863 v 1594 meters, made 22 v 13 offloads (as significant a stats as the assists IMO), bust 48 v 41 tackles, made fewer errors a mere 10 compared to 26 and gave away fewer penalties, 11 v 15.

Does that make Carmont a bad centre? No. The fact is we had two good centres in our side for the first time in a long time and this was a big reason we got to and won the GF in my opinion.

If he was as ineffective as you make out Madge would have dropped him as he does with other players like Roberts, not played him 22 times and in the GF.

I am not being selective at all. The only stat that is relevant to your claim that he was the reason that his winger was running in tries is his try assist stat. This is obviously very poor and it totally disproves your argument. I would even say that 4 try assists all season puts Gleeson amongst the worst in the league for this amongst centres, even the very greedy Keith Senior has 7 and Atkins a fairly amazing 13.

Even without the stats there were some games that Gleeson's winger never saw the ball, barr cut out passes from O'Loughlin or Tomkins that missed out Gleeson completely, and this was commented on fairly regularly last season. I lost count of the amount of times there was an overlap and Gleeson shaped to pass only to dummy and step off his right going for glory himself.